i’ve determined that reading literary theory has added nothing to my poetic repertoire — neither skill nor useful knowledge.

i’m a gonna stop.

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  • dfleming

    Yes

    Wow, thanks for saying that. I never could figure out what lit crit was good for…I’m still thinking about that. I guess my ignorance just shows something lacking in me.

  • dfleming

    Yes

    Wow, thanks for saying that. I never could figure out what lit crit was good for…I’m still thinking about that. I guess my ignorance just shows something lacking in me.

  • dfleming

    Yes

    Wow, thanks for saying that. I never could figure out what lit crit was good for…I’m still thinking about that. I guess my ignorance just shows something lacking in me.

  • dfleming

    Yes

    Wow, thanks for saying that. I never could figure out what lit crit was good for…I’m still thinking about that. I guess my ignorance just shows something lacking in me.

  • dfleming

    Yes

    Wow, thanks for saying that. I never could figure out what lit crit was good for…I’m still thinking about that. I guess my ignorance just shows something lacking in me.

  • dfleming

    Yes

    Wow, thanks for saying that. I never could figure out what lit crit was good for…I’m still thinking about that. I guess my ignorance just shows something lacking in me.

  • seide

    I agree. While I find it all fascinating from a philosophical/literary standpoint, it does nothing but obfuscate and stifle the actual process of writing. It’s like studying medicine and then suddenly feeling afflicted with all sorts of strange symptoms and ailments. You just get too hyper-aware of what’s going on under your skin.

  • seide

    I agree. While I find it all fascinating from a philosophical/literary standpoint, it does nothing but obfuscate and stifle the actual process of writing. It’s like studying medicine and then suddenly feeling afflicted with all sorts of strange symptoms and ailments. You just get too hyper-aware of what’s going on under your skin.

  • seide

    I agree. While I find it all fascinating from a philosophical/literary standpoint, it does nothing but obfuscate and stifle the actual process of writing. It’s like studying medicine and then suddenly feeling afflicted with all sorts of strange symptoms and ailments. You just get too hyper-aware of what’s going on under your skin.

  • seide

    I agree. While I find it all fascinating from a philosophical/literary standpoint, it does nothing but obfuscate and stifle the actual process of writing. It’s like studying medicine and then suddenly feeling afflicted with all sorts of strange symptoms and ailments. You just get too hyper-aware of what’s going on under your skin.

  • seide

    I agree. While I find it all fascinating from a philosophical/literary standpoint, it does nothing but obfuscate and stifle the actual process of writing. It’s like studying medicine and then suddenly feeling afflicted with all sorts of strange symptoms and ailments. You just get too hyper-aware of what’s going on under your skin.

  • seide

    I agree. While I find it all fascinating from a philosophical/literary standpoint, it does nothing but obfuscate and stifle the actual process of writing. It’s like studying medicine and then suddenly feeling afflicted with all sorts of strange symptoms and ailments. You just get too hyper-aware of what’s going on under your skin.

  • radioactiveart

    I don’t need it. I’m not taking it.

  • radioactiveart

    I don’t need it. I’m not taking it.

  • radioactiveart

    I don’t need it. I’m not taking it.

  • radioactiveart

    I don’t need it. I’m not taking it.

  • radioactiveart

    I don’t need it. I’m not taking it.

  • radioactiveart

    I don’t need it. I’m not taking it.

  • dj_muse

    Semiotics….

    …funny. It really comes up in comics (as in sequential art w/words) and there, it actually is useful. At least in terms of criticism, and understanding why some things work and others don’t.

    But I don’t see how knowing about “Semiotics” would make you a better poet than knowing about semiotics would make you a better comic artist.

  • dj_muse

    Semiotics….

    …funny. It really comes up in comics (as in sequential art w/words) and there, it actually is useful. At least in terms of criticism, and understanding why some things work and others don’t.

    But I don’t see how knowing about “Semiotics” would make you a better poet than knowing about semiotics would make you a better comic artist.

  • dj_muse

    Semiotics….

    …funny. It really comes up in comics (as in sequential art w/words) and there, it actually is useful. At least in terms of criticism, and understanding why some things work and others don’t.

    But I don’t see how knowing about “Semiotics” would make you a better poet than knowing about semiotics would make you a better comic artist.

  • dj_muse

    Semiotics….

    …funny. It really comes up in comics (as in sequential art w/words) and there, it actually is useful. At least in terms of criticism, and understanding why some things work and others don’t.

    But I don’t see how knowing about “Semiotics” would make you a better poet than knowing about semiotics would make you a better comic artist.

  • dj_muse

    Semiotics….

    …funny. It really comes up in comics (as in sequential art w/words) and there, it actually is useful. At least in terms of criticism, and understanding why some things work and others don’t.

    But I don’t see how knowing about “Semiotics” would make you a better poet than knowing about semiotics would make you a better comic artist.

  • dj_muse

    Semiotics….

    …funny. It really comes up in comics (as in sequential art w/words) and there, it actually is useful. At least in terms of criticism, and understanding why some things work and others don’t.

    But I don’t see how knowing about “Semiotics” would make you a better poet than knowing about semiotics would make you a better comic artist.

  • stefan11

    Do not stop if you need it for credits to graduate.

    Jus tfind some themes which are interesting to you and you can pursue, write what you need to on those topics, get the credits and move on.

  • stefan11

    Do not stop if you need it for credits to graduate.

    Jus tfind some themes which are interesting to you and you can pursue, write what you need to on those topics, get the credits and move on.

  • stefan11

    Do not stop if you need it for credits to graduate.

    Jus tfind some themes which are interesting to you and you can pursue, write what you need to on those topics, get the credits and move on.

  • stefan11

    Do not stop if you need it for credits to graduate.

    Jus tfind some themes which are interesting to you and you can pursue, write what you need to on those topics, get the credits and move on.

  • stefan11

    Do not stop if you need it for credits to graduate.

    Jus tfind some themes which are interesting to you and you can pursue, write what you need to on those topics, get the credits and move on.

  • stefan11

    Do not stop if you need it for credits to graduate.

    Jus tfind some themes which are interesting to you and you can pursue, write what you need to on those topics, get the credits and move on.

  • sofarfrom78

    that’s because you’re only supposed to teach the stuff, silly pants! Of course it has no relevance, that’s why they teach it within the Arts and Humanities department! 😛

  • sofarfrom78

    that’s because you’re only supposed to teach the stuff, silly pants! Of course it has no relevance, that’s why they teach it within the Arts and Humanities department! 😛

  • sofarfrom78

    that’s because you’re only supposed to teach the stuff, silly pants! Of course it has no relevance, that’s why they teach it within the Arts and Humanities department! 😛

  • sofarfrom78

    that’s because you’re only supposed to teach the stuff, silly pants! Of course it has no relevance, that’s why they teach it within the Arts and Humanities department! 😛

  • sofarfrom78

    that’s because you’re only supposed to teach the stuff, silly pants! Of course it has no relevance, that’s why they teach it within the Arts and Humanities department! 😛

  • sofarfrom78

    that’s because you’re only supposed to teach the stuff, silly pants! Of course it has no relevance, that’s why they teach it within the Arts and Humanities department! 😛

  • radioactiveart

    Well — I don’t care how people see my work. I figure that’s up to them.

    I once watched John Ashbery, at a reading, shake his head in amazement and frustration at an overly theoretical question regarding the correlations between the Abstract Expressionists and the work of the New York School.

    “The only reason we hung out with them,” he said, “was because they were more fun to drink with than other writers were. The only reason they hung out with us was because we had more money for drinking than other painters did.”

  • radioactiveart

    Well — I don’t care how people see my work. I figure that’s up to them.

    I once watched John Ashbery, at a reading, shake his head in amazement and frustration at an overly theoretical question regarding the correlations between the Abstract Expressionists and the work of the New York School.

    “The only reason we hung out with them,” he said, “was because they were more fun to drink with than other writers were. The only reason they hung out with us was because we had more money for drinking than other painters did.”

  • radioactiveart

    Well — I don’t care how people see my work. I figure that’s up to them.

    I once watched John Ashbery, at a reading, shake his head in amazement and frustration at an overly theoretical question regarding the correlations between the Abstract Expressionists and the work of the New York School.

    “The only reason we hung out with them,” he said, “was because they were more fun to drink with than other writers were. The only reason they hung out with us was because we had more money for drinking than other painters did.”

  • radioactiveart

    Well — I don’t care how people see my work. I figure that’s up to them.

    I once watched John Ashbery, at a reading, shake his head in amazement and frustration at an overly theoretical question regarding the correlations between the Abstract Expressionists and the work of the New York School.

    “The only reason we hung out with them,” he said, “was because they were more fun to drink with than other writers were. The only reason they hung out with us was because we had more money for drinking than other painters did.”

  • radioactiveart

    Well — I don’t care how people see my work. I figure that’s up to them.

    I once watched John Ashbery, at a reading, shake his head in amazement and frustration at an overly theoretical question regarding the correlations between the Abstract Expressionists and the work of the New York School.

    “The only reason we hung out with them,” he said, “was because they were more fun to drink with than other writers were. The only reason they hung out with us was because we had more money for drinking than other painters did.”

  • radioactiveart

    Well — I don’t care how people see my work. I figure that’s up to them.

    I once watched John Ashbery, at a reading, shake his head in amazement and frustration at an overly theoretical question regarding the correlations between the Abstract Expressionists and the work of the New York School.

    “The only reason we hung out with them,” he said, “was because they were more fun to drink with than other writers were. The only reason they hung out with us was because we had more money for drinking than other painters did.”

  • ocvictor

    Not much that I can see, really, aside from the normal disclaimer that one neve knows where ideas come from. I find hard philosophy, particularly political philosophy, a far deeper well to write from.

    The problem with looking to crit as a writer is that it inherently locks you into what’s been thought before, inhibiting moves in new direction. One does not set out to be a post-modernist, for example. One falls into that category, and that’s a decision for people other than the writer to make.

    However, it IS a useful tool for getting into how and why another writer’s work does what it does. For instance, reading up on Modernism is useful if you’re trying to figure out some of what was going on with Eliot. At best, though, I concede it’s an indirect tool.

  • ocvictor

    Not much that I can see, really, aside from the normal disclaimer that one neve knows where ideas come from. I find hard philosophy, particularly political philosophy, a far deeper well to write from.

    The problem with looking to crit as a writer is that it inherently locks you into what’s been thought before, inhibiting moves in new direction. One does not set out to be a post-modernist, for example. One falls into that category, and that’s a decision for people other than the writer to make.

    However, it IS a useful tool for getting into how and why another writer’s work does what it does. For instance, reading up on Modernism is useful if you’re trying to figure out some of what was going on with Eliot. At best, though, I concede it’s an indirect tool.

  • ocvictor

    Not much that I can see, really, aside from the normal disclaimer that one neve knows where ideas come from. I find hard philosophy, particularly political philosophy, a far deeper well to write from.

    The problem with looking to crit as a writer is that it inherently locks you into what’s been thought before, inhibiting moves in new direction. One does not set out to be a post-modernist, for example. One falls into that category, and that’s a decision for people other than the writer to make.

    However, it IS a useful tool for getting into how and why another writer’s work does what it does. For instance, reading up on Modernism is useful if you’re trying to figure out some of what was going on with Eliot. At best, though, I concede it’s an indirect tool.

  • ocvictor

    Not much that I can see, really, aside from the normal disclaimer that one neve knows where ideas come from. I find hard philosophy, particularly political philosophy, a far deeper well to write from.

    The problem with looking to crit as a writer is that it inherently locks you into what’s been thought before, inhibiting moves in new direction. One does not set out to be a post-modernist, for example. One falls into that category, and that’s a decision for people other than the writer to make.

    However, it IS a useful tool for getting into how and why another writer’s work does what it does. For instance, reading up on Modernism is useful if you’re trying to figure out some of what was going on with Eliot. At best, though, I concede it’s an indirect tool.

  • ocvictor

    Not much that I can see, really, aside from the normal disclaimer that one neve knows where ideas come from. I find hard philosophy, particularly political philosophy, a far deeper well to write from.

    The problem with looking to crit as a writer is that it inherently locks you into what’s been thought before, inhibiting moves in new direction. One does not set out to be a post-modernist, for example. One falls into that category, and that’s a decision for people other than the writer to make.

    However, it IS a useful tool for getting into how and why another writer’s work does what it does. For instance, reading up on Modernism is useful if you’re trying to figure out some of what was going on with Eliot. At best, though, I concede it’s an indirect tool.

  • ocvictor

    Not much that I can see, really, aside from the normal disclaimer that one neve knows where ideas come from. I find hard philosophy, particularly political philosophy, a far deeper well to write from.

    The problem with looking to crit as a writer is that it inherently locks you into what’s been thought before, inhibiting moves in new direction. One does not set out to be a post-modernist, for example. One falls into that category, and that’s a decision for people other than the writer to make.

    However, it IS a useful tool for getting into how and why another writer’s work does what it does. For instance, reading up on Modernism is useful if you’re trying to figure out some of what was going on with Eliot. At best, though, I concede it’s an indirect tool.

  • upendedurn

    I took a class in college that was called Marxism & Psychoanalysis. The readings were interesting, but often frustrating. I complained loudly about the uselessness of theory at the dinner table one night, and my friend said, “But aren’t you interested in thinking about how people are going to read your work?” Every now and then it helps me to re-see what I’m writing, and for that the little I’ve read has been worthwhile.

  • upendedurn

    I took a class in college that was called Marxism & Psychoanalysis. The readings were interesting, but often frustrating. I complained loudly about the uselessness of theory at the dinner table one night, and my friend said, “But aren’t you interested in thinking about how people are going to read your work?” Every now and then it helps me to re-see what I’m writing, and for that the little I’ve read has been worthwhile.

  • upendedurn

    I took a class in college that was called Marxism & Psychoanalysis. The readings were interesting, but often frustrating. I complained loudly about the uselessness of theory at the dinner table one night, and my friend said, “But aren’t you interested in thinking about how people are going to read your work?” Every now and then it helps me to re-see what I’m writing, and for that the little I’ve read has been worthwhile.

  • upendedurn

    I took a class in college that was called Marxism & Psychoanalysis. The readings were interesting, but often frustrating. I complained loudly about the uselessness of theory at the dinner table one night, and my friend said, “But aren’t you interested in thinking about how people are going to read your work?” Every now and then it helps me to re-see what I’m writing, and for that the little I’ve read has been worthwhile.

  • upendedurn

    I took a class in college that was called Marxism & Psychoanalysis. The readings were interesting, but often frustrating. I complained loudly about the uselessness of theory at the dinner table one night, and my friend said, “But aren’t you interested in thinking about how people are going to read your work?” Every now and then it helps me to re-see what I’m writing, and for that the little I’ve read has been worthwhile.

  • upendedurn

    I took a class in college that was called Marxism & Psychoanalysis. The readings were interesting, but often frustrating. I complained loudly about the uselessness of theory at the dinner table one night, and my friend said, “But aren’t you interested in thinking about how people are going to read your work?” Every now and then it helps me to re-see what I’m writing, and for that the little I’ve read has been worthwhile.

  • radioactiveart

    Right there. I read tons of theory from politics to philosophy. I just don’t see the use of the literary stuff, for a writer.

  • radioactiveart

    Right there. I read tons of theory from politics to philosophy. I just don’t see the use of the literary stuff, for a writer.

  • radioactiveart

    Right there. I read tons of theory from politics to philosophy. I just don’t see the use of the literary stuff, for a writer.

  • radioactiveart

    Right there. I read tons of theory from politics to philosophy. I just don’t see the use of the literary stuff, for a writer.

  • radioactiveart

    Right there. I read tons of theory from politics to philosophy. I just don’t see the use of the literary stuff, for a writer.

  • radioactiveart

    Right there. I read tons of theory from politics to philosophy. I just don’t see the use of the literary stuff, for a writer.

  • radioactiveart

    Anything that includes the words “po-mo,” “Derrida,” or “semiotics.”

  • radioactiveart

    Anything that includes the words “po-mo,” “Derrida,” or “semiotics.”

  • radioactiveart

    Anything that includes the words “po-mo,” “Derrida,” or “semiotics.”

  • radioactiveart

    Anything that includes the words “po-mo,” “Derrida,” or “semiotics.”

  • radioactiveart

    Anything that includes the words “po-mo,” “Derrida,” or “semiotics.”

  • radioactiveart

    Anything that includes the words “po-mo,” “Derrida,” or “semiotics.”

  • ocvictor

    I find lit crit both useful and counterproductive, personally. For the most part, I find anything that gives me insight into how people’s minds work, particularly readers, to be something worth noting. However, crit is WRITTEN for readers. It has no real bearing on the writing process, and I find that’s something to keep in mind.

  • ocvictor

    I find lit crit both useful and counterproductive, personally. For the most part, I find anything that gives me insight into how people’s minds work, particularly readers, to be something worth noting. However, crit is WRITTEN for readers. It has no real bearing on the writing process, and I find that’s something to keep in mind.

  • ocvictor

    I find lit crit both useful and counterproductive, personally. For the most part, I find anything that gives me insight into how people’s minds work, particularly readers, to be something worth noting. However, crit is WRITTEN for readers. It has no real bearing on the writing process, and I find that’s something to keep in mind.

  • ocvictor

    I find lit crit both useful and counterproductive, personally. For the most part, I find anything that gives me insight into how people’s minds work, particularly readers, to be something worth noting. However, crit is WRITTEN for readers. It has no real bearing on the writing process, and I find that’s something to keep in mind.

  • ocvictor

    I find lit crit both useful and counterproductive, personally. For the most part, I find anything that gives me insight into how people’s minds work, particularly readers, to be something worth noting. However, crit is WRITTEN for readers. It has no real bearing on the writing process, and I find that’s something to keep in mind.

  • ocvictor

    I find lit crit both useful and counterproductive, personally. For the most part, I find anything that gives me insight into how people’s minds work, particularly readers, to be something worth noting. However, crit is WRITTEN for readers. It has no real bearing on the writing process, and I find that’s something to keep in mind.

  • scottwoods

    I think I’d like a better definition or handful of exmaples of what you mean by this type of work before further comment.

  • scottwoods

    I think I’d like a better definition or handful of exmaples of what you mean by this type of work before further comment.

  • scottwoods

    I think I’d like a better definition or handful of exmaples of what you mean by this type of work before further comment.

  • scottwoods

    I think I’d like a better definition or handful of exmaples of what you mean by this type of work before further comment.

  • scottwoods

    I think I’d like a better definition or handful of exmaples of what you mean by this type of work before further comment.

  • scottwoods

    I think I’d like a better definition or handful of exmaples of what you mean by this type of work before further comment.

  • sashash

    i see where you’re coming from, tony. for my part, i find it really interesting to see things explicated. they may not be things that i’ll use per se, but knowing about them is pretty spiffy. it’s made me aware of a lot of devices that i’ve already been using, and a more profound articulation of those devices than i could give has made me think about them in a new way. it’s doing little things. not enough to obsess over the material for. just little things.

  • sashash

    i see where you’re coming from, tony. for my part, i find it really interesting to see things explicated. they may not be things that i’ll use per se, but knowing about them is pretty spiffy. it’s made me aware of a lot of devices that i’ve already been using, and a more profound articulation of those devices than i could give has made me think about them in a new way. it’s doing little things. not enough to obsess over the material for. just little things.

  • sashash

    i see where you’re coming from, tony. for my part, i find it really interesting to see things explicated. they may not be things that i’ll use per se, but knowing about them is pretty spiffy. it’s made me aware of a lot of devices that i’ve already been using, and a more profound articulation of those devices than i could give has made me think about them in a new way. it’s doing little things. not enough to obsess over the material for. just little things.

  • sashash

    i see where you’re coming from, tony. for my part, i find it really interesting to see things explicated. they may not be things that i’ll use per se, but knowing about them is pretty spiffy. it’s made me aware of a lot of devices that i’ve already been using, and a more profound articulation of those devices than i could give has made me think about them in a new way. it’s doing little things. not enough to obsess over the material for. just little things.

  • sashash

    i see where you’re coming from, tony. for my part, i find it really interesting to see things explicated. they may not be things that i’ll use per se, but knowing about them is pretty spiffy. it’s made me aware of a lot of devices that i’ve already been using, and a more profound articulation of those devices than i could give has made me think about them in a new way. it’s doing little things. not enough to obsess over the material for. just little things.

  • sashash

    i see where you’re coming from, tony. for my part, i find it really interesting to see things explicated. they may not be things that i’ll use per se, but knowing about them is pretty spiffy. it’s made me aware of a lot of devices that i’ve already been using, and a more profound articulation of those devices than i could give has made me think about them in a new way. it’s doing little things. not enough to obsess over the material for. just little things.

  • theryk

    …better to watch old horror movies,
    yes.

  • theryk

    …better to watch old horror movies,
    yes.

  • theryk

    …better to watch old horror movies,
    yes.

  • theryk

    …better to watch old horror movies,
    yes.

  • theryk

    …better to watch old horror movies,
    yes.

  • theryk

    …better to watch old horror movies,
    yes.

  • blackstone

    It’s useless but fun, like studying a dead language.

  • blackstone

    It’s useless but fun, like studying a dead language.

  • blackstone

    It’s useless but fun, like studying a dead language.

  • blackstone

    It’s useless but fun, like studying a dead language.

  • blackstone

    It’s useless but fun, like studying a dead language.

  • blackstone

    It’s useless but fun, like studying a dead language.

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