It feels to me like no one is answering the question I posed in my previous post. I posted it late, so I may not have been clear enough.
For the record, I understand the difference between religious extremism and religion, faith and spirituality. I understand that all traditions have been abused. I understand that political ends have been met under the guise of religion throughout human history.
My questions, put more directly, are these:
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Bring it on. I just painted a huge bullseye on myself for your shooting pleasure.
Dark Matter 
January 1st, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry…the next post on the topic. The next post is about falling asleep early on New Years’ Eve.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry…the next post on the topic. The next post is about falling asleep early on New Years’ Eve.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry…the next post on the topic. The next post is about falling asleep early on New Years’ Eve.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry…the next post on the topic. The next post is about falling asleep early on New Years’ Eve.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry…the next post on the topic. The next post is about falling asleep early on New Years’ Eve.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry…the next post on the topic. The next post is about falling asleep early on New Years’ Eve.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry…the next post on the topic. The next post is about falling asleep early on New Years’ Eve.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry…the next post on the topic. The next post is about falling asleep early on New Years’ Eve.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:24 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
See my next post. I think that should clear it up.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:24 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
See my next post. I think that should clear it up.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:24 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
See my next post. I think that should clear it up.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:24 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
See my next post. I think that should clear it up.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:24 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
See my next post. I think that should clear it up.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:24 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
See my next post. I think that should clear it up.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:24 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
See my next post. I think that should clear it up.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:24 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
See my next post. I think that should clear it up.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:07 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry to sound like a nitpick about this >_<
It’s just that there’s over 1,500 sects in Christianity, some better known than others, and there’s even some that broke from the Catholic church because of political beliefs, which is the topic at hand.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:07 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry to sound like a nitpick about this >_<
It’s just that there’s over 1,500 sects in Christianity, some better known than others, and there’s even some that broke from the Catholic church because of political beliefs, which is the topic at hand.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:07 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry to sound like a nitpick about this >_<
It’s just that there’s over 1,500 sects in Christianity, some better known than others, and there’s even some that broke from the Catholic church because of political beliefs, which is the topic at hand.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:07 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry to sound like a nitpick about this >_<
It’s just that there’s over 1,500 sects in Christianity, some better known than others, and there’s even some that broke from the Catholic church because of political beliefs, which is the topic at hand.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:07 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry to sound like a nitpick about this >_<
It’s just that there’s over 1,500 sects in Christianity, some better known than others, and there’s even some that broke from the Catholic church because of political beliefs, which is the topic at hand.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:07 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry to sound like a nitpick about this >_<
It’s just that there’s over 1,500 sects in Christianity, some better known than others, and there’s even some that broke from the Catholic church because of political beliefs, which is the topic at hand.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:07 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry to sound like a nitpick about this >_<
It’s just that there’s over 1,500 sects in Christianity, some better known than others, and there’s even some that broke from the Catholic church because of political beliefs, which is the topic at hand.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:07 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Sorry to sound like a nitpick about this >_<
It’s just that there’s over 1,500 sects in Christianity, some better known than others, and there’s even some that broke from the Catholic church because of political beliefs, which is the topic at hand.
January 1st, 2005 at 10:00 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
The only core belief is the belief in Jesus. Christianity is just a blanket term for all of the sects that diverged off of Catholicism throughout the years.
If you’re referring to just christianity, then it depends on what sect you’re referring to. Episcopalians tend to be more open to the left while the Seven Day Adventists aren’t, and the hundreds of other sects vary.
It really all depends…
January 1st, 2005 at 10:00 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
The only core belief is the belief in Jesus. Christianity is just a blanket term for all of the sects that diverged off of Catholicism throughout the years.
If you’re referring to just christianity, then it depends on what sect you’re referring to. Episcopalians tend to be more open to the left while the Seven Day Adventists aren’t, and the hundreds of other sects vary.
It really all depends…
January 1st, 2005 at 10:00 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
The only core belief is the belief in Jesus. Christianity is just a blanket term for all of the sects that diverged off of Catholicism throughout the years.
If you’re referring to just christianity, then it depends on what sect you’re referring to. Episcopalians tend to be more open to the left while the Seven Day Adventists aren’t, and the hundreds of other sects vary.
It really all depends…
January 1st, 2005 at 10:00 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
The only core belief is the belief in Jesus. Christianity is just a blanket term for all of the sects that diverged off of Catholicism throughout the years.
If you’re referring to just christianity, then it depends on what sect you’re referring to. Episcopalians tend to be more open to the left while the Seven Day Adventists aren’t, and the hundreds of other sects vary.
It really all depends…
January 1st, 2005 at 10:00 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
The only core belief is the belief in Jesus. Christianity is just a blanket term for all of the sects that diverged off of Catholicism throughout the years.
If you’re referring to just christianity, then it depends on what sect you’re referring to. Episcopalians tend to be more open to the left while the Seven Day Adventists aren’t, and the hundreds of other sects vary.
It really all depends…
January 1st, 2005 at 10:00 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
The only core belief is the belief in Jesus. Christianity is just a blanket term for all of the sects that diverged off of Catholicism throughout the years.
If you’re referring to just christianity, then it depends on what sect you’re referring to. Episcopalians tend to be more open to the left while the Seven Day Adventists aren’t, and the hundreds of other sects vary.
It really all depends…
January 1st, 2005 at 10:00 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
The only core belief is the belief in Jesus. Christianity is just a blanket term for all of the sects that diverged off of Catholicism throughout the years.
If you’re referring to just christianity, then it depends on what sect you’re referring to. Episcopalians tend to be more open to the left while the Seven Day Adventists aren’t, and the hundreds of other sects vary.
It really all depends…
January 1st, 2005 at 10:00 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
The only core belief is the belief in Jesus. Christianity is just a blanket term for all of the sects that diverged off of Catholicism throughout the years.
If you’re referring to just christianity, then it depends on what sect you’re referring to. Episcopalians tend to be more open to the left while the Seven Day Adventists aren’t, and the hundreds of other sects vary.
It really all depends…
January 1st, 2005 at 9:51 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Christianity. The basic, core dogmas and beliefs of Christianity.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:51 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Christianity. The basic, core dogmas and beliefs of Christianity.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:51 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Christianity. The basic, core dogmas and beliefs of Christianity.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:51 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Christianity. The basic, core dogmas and beliefs of Christianity.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:51 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Christianity. The basic, core dogmas and beliefs of Christianity.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:51 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Christianity. The basic, core dogmas and beliefs of Christianity.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:51 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Christianity. The basic, core dogmas and beliefs of Christianity.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:51 pm
Re: For the sake of clarity:
Christianity. The basic, core dogmas and beliefs of Christianity.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:47 pm
For the sake of clarity:
Are you refering to Christianity, Catholicism, or both.
Christianity is so vague because of the various sects, and it’s hard to give a difinitive answer unless you’re refering to a particular sect or to all christ-believing religions including Catholicism.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:47 pm
For the sake of clarity:
Are you refering to Christianity, Catholicism, or both.
Christianity is so vague because of the various sects, and it’s hard to give a difinitive answer unless you’re refering to a particular sect or to all christ-believing religions including Catholicism.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:47 pm
For the sake of clarity:
Are you refering to Christianity, Catholicism, or both.
Christianity is so vague because of the various sects, and it’s hard to give a difinitive answer unless you’re refering to a particular sect or to all christ-believing religions including Catholicism.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:47 pm
For the sake of clarity:
Are you refering to Christianity, Catholicism, or both.
Christianity is so vague because of the various sects, and it’s hard to give a difinitive answer unless you’re refering to a particular sect or to all christ-believing religions including Catholicism.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:47 pm
For the sake of clarity:
Are you refering to Christianity, Catholicism, or both.
Christianity is so vague because of the various sects, and it’s hard to give a difinitive answer unless you’re refering to a particular sect or to all christ-believing religions including Catholicism.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:47 pm
For the sake of clarity:
Are you refering to Christianity, Catholicism, or both.
Christianity is so vague because of the various sects, and it’s hard to give a difinitive answer unless you’re refering to a particular sect or to all christ-believing religions including Catholicism.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:47 pm
For the sake of clarity:
Are you refering to Christianity, Catholicism, or both.
Christianity is so vague because of the various sects, and it’s hard to give a difinitive answer unless you’re refering to a particular sect or to all christ-believing religions including Catholicism.
January 1st, 2005 at 9:47 pm
For the sake of clarity:
Are you refering to Christianity, Catholicism, or both.
Christianity is so vague because of the various sects, and it’s hard to give a difinitive answer unless you’re refering to a particular sect or to all christ-believing religions including Catholicism.
January 1st, 2005 at 7:13 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
nah, not offended.
I would say the majority of liberals are moral — Christian, I could care less about. But most of my liberal friends are some form of christian.
Libertarian friends, now… THOSE are some godless folk 😉
January 1st, 2005 at 7:13 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
nah, not offended.
I would say the majority of liberals are moral — Christian, I could care less about. But most of my liberal friends are some form of christian.
Libertarian friends, now… THOSE are some godless folk 😉
January 1st, 2005 at 7:13 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
nah, not offended.
I would say the majority of liberals are moral — Christian, I could care less about. But most of my liberal friends are some form of christian.
Libertarian friends, now… THOSE are some godless folk 😉
January 1st, 2005 at 7:13 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
nah, not offended.
I would say the majority of liberals are moral — Christian, I could care less about. But most of my liberal friends are some form of christian.
Libertarian friends, now… THOSE are some godless folk 😉
January 1st, 2005 at 7:13 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
nah, not offended.
I would say the majority of liberals are moral — Christian, I could care less about. But most of my liberal friends are some form of christian.
Libertarian friends, now… THOSE are some godless folk 😉
January 1st, 2005 at 7:13 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
nah, not offended.
I would say the majority of liberals are moral — Christian, I could care less about. But most of my liberal friends are some form of christian.
Libertarian friends, now… THOSE are some godless folk 😉
January 1st, 2005 at 7:13 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
nah, not offended.
I would say the majority of liberals are moral — Christian, I could care less about. But most of my liberal friends are some form of christian.
Libertarian friends, now… THOSE are some godless folk 😉
January 1st, 2005 at 7:13 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
nah, not offended.
I would say the majority of liberals are moral — Christian, I could care less about. But most of my liberal friends are some form of christian.
Libertarian friends, now… THOSE are some godless folk 😉
January 1st, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Let me re-state then, a bit clearer: This subject line was started because of a subject line on my journal about this, involving Tammy Bruce’s book. This subject line is more along the lines of what you said, though your first message didn’t clarify for me, so I responded as I did. My apologies if I offended you somehow.
But would you say it’s true that liberals, at least the majority of them, are Christian and moral? Some may be, but there’s a lot of hostility in the liberal community towards the Christian faith. Is it a vocal minority, or a majority, that is hostile?
I don’t see it (so far) as spin, but that’s just me. I’m not trying to start a fight, just expressing my opinion as well. I’m backing off and sitting quietly again…
January 1st, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Let me re-state then, a bit clearer: This subject line was started because of a subject line on my journal about this, involving Tammy Bruce’s book. This subject line is more along the lines of what you said, though your first message didn’t clarify for me, so I responded as I did. My apologies if I offended you somehow.
But would you say it’s true that liberals, at least the majority of them, are Christian and moral? Some may be, but there’s a lot of hostility in the liberal community towards the Christian faith. Is it a vocal minority, or a majority, that is hostile?
I don’t see it (so far) as spin, but that’s just me. I’m not trying to start a fight, just expressing my opinion as well. I’m backing off and sitting quietly again…
January 1st, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Let me re-state then, a bit clearer: This subject line was started because of a subject line on my journal about this, involving Tammy Bruce’s book. This subject line is more along the lines of what you said, though your first message didn’t clarify for me, so I responded as I did. My apologies if I offended you somehow.
But would you say it’s true that liberals, at least the majority of them, are Christian and moral? Some may be, but there’s a lot of hostility in the liberal community towards the Christian faith. Is it a vocal minority, or a majority, that is hostile?
I don’t see it (so far) as spin, but that’s just me. I’m not trying to start a fight, just expressing my opinion as well. I’m backing off and sitting quietly again…
January 1st, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Let me re-state then, a bit clearer: This subject line was started because of a subject line on my journal about this, involving Tammy Bruce’s book. This subject line is more along the lines of what you said, though your first message didn’t clarify for me, so I responded as I did. My apologies if I offended you somehow.
But would you say it’s true that liberals, at least the majority of them, are Christian and moral? Some may be, but there’s a lot of hostility in the liberal community towards the Christian faith. Is it a vocal minority, or a majority, that is hostile?
I don’t see it (so far) as spin, but that’s just me. I’m not trying to start a fight, just expressing my opinion as well. I’m backing off and sitting quietly again…
January 1st, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Let me re-state then, a bit clearer: This subject line was started because of a subject line on my journal about this, involving Tammy Bruce’s book. This subject line is more along the lines of what you said, though your first message didn’t clarify for me, so I responded as I did. My apologies if I offended you somehow.
But would you say it’s true that liberals, at least the majority of them, are Christian and moral? Some may be, but there’s a lot of hostility in the liberal community towards the Christian faith. Is it a vocal minority, or a majority, that is hostile?
I don’t see it (so far) as spin, but that’s just me. I’m not trying to start a fight, just expressing my opinion as well. I’m backing off and sitting quietly again…
January 1st, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Let me re-state then, a bit clearer: This subject line was started because of a subject line on my journal about this, involving Tammy Bruce’s book. This subject line is more along the lines of what you said, though your first message didn’t clarify for me, so I responded as I did. My apologies if I offended you somehow.
But would you say it’s true that liberals, at least the majority of them, are Christian and moral? Some may be, but there’s a lot of hostility in the liberal community towards the Christian faith. Is it a vocal minority, or a majority, that is hostile?
I don’t see it (so far) as spin, but that’s just me. I’m not trying to start a fight, just expressing my opinion as well. I’m backing off and sitting quietly again…
January 1st, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Let me re-state then, a bit clearer: This subject line was started because of a subject line on my journal about this, involving Tammy Bruce’s book. This subject line is more along the lines of what you said, though your first message didn’t clarify for me, so I responded as I did. My apologies if I offended you somehow.
But would you say it’s true that liberals, at least the majority of them, are Christian and moral? Some may be, but there’s a lot of hostility in the liberal community towards the Christian faith. Is it a vocal minority, or a majority, that is hostile?
I don’t see it (so far) as spin, but that’s just me. I’m not trying to start a fight, just expressing my opinion as well. I’m backing off and sitting quietly again…
January 1st, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Let me re-state then, a bit clearer: This subject line was started because of a subject line on my journal about this, involving Tammy Bruce’s book. This subject line is more along the lines of what you said, though your first message didn’t clarify for me, so I responded as I did. My apologies if I offended you somehow.
But would you say it’s true that liberals, at least the majority of them, are Christian and moral? Some may be, but there’s a lot of hostility in the liberal community towards the Christian faith. Is it a vocal minority, or a majority, that is hostile?
I don’t see it (so far) as spin, but that’s just me. I’m not trying to start a fight, just expressing my opinion as well. I’m backing off and sitting quietly again…
January 1st, 2005 at 6:10 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
this subject line was started because the accepted wisdom of our time is that liberals are godless and amoral. Which is a CON. I have no idea who tammy bruce is, neither do I particularly care in terms of my comment that the conventional wisdom is that liberals are godless and amoral.
January 1st, 2005 at 6:10 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
this subject line was started because the accepted wisdom of our time is that liberals are godless and amoral. Which is a CON. I have no idea who tammy bruce is, neither do I particularly care in terms of my comment that the conventional wisdom is that liberals are godless and amoral.
January 1st, 2005 at 6:10 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
this subject line was started because the accepted wisdom of our time is that liberals are godless and amoral. Which is a CON. I have no idea who tammy bruce is, neither do I particularly care in terms of my comment that the conventional wisdom is that liberals are godless and amoral.
January 1st, 2005 at 6:10 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
this subject line was started because the accepted wisdom of our time is that liberals are godless and amoral. Which is a CON. I have no idea who tammy bruce is, neither do I particularly care in terms of my comment that the conventional wisdom is that liberals are godless and amoral.
January 1st, 2005 at 6:10 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
this subject line was started because the accepted wisdom of our time is that liberals are godless and amoral. Which is a CON. I have no idea who tammy bruce is, neither do I particularly care in terms of my comment that the conventional wisdom is that liberals are godless and amoral.
January 1st, 2005 at 6:10 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
this subject line was started because the accepted wisdom of our time is that liberals are godless and amoral. Which is a CON. I have no idea who tammy bruce is, neither do I particularly care in terms of my comment that the conventional wisdom is that liberals are godless and amoral.
January 1st, 2005 at 6:10 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
this subject line was started because the accepted wisdom of our time is that liberals are godless and amoral. Which is a CON. I have no idea who tammy bruce is, neither do I particularly care in terms of my comment that the conventional wisdom is that liberals are godless and amoral.
January 1st, 2005 at 6:10 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
this subject line was started because the accepted wisdom of our time is that liberals are godless and amoral. Which is a CON. I have no idea who tammy bruce is, neither do I particularly care in terms of my comment that the conventional wisdom is that liberals are godless and amoral.
December 31st, 2004 at 11:36 pm
lefty christianity
> Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
No. I grew up among Catholics, and most of them were lefties. Up until recently, I associated Christianity (Catholic Christianity) with the left. Plus the Jesus freaks of the early seventies were decidedly anti-establishment. I don’t know if I’d call them lefties, but they weren’t righties either.
But nowadays, protestant christians tend to be conservative. Even many Catholics have turned neo-con.
> Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
Yeah, I’m anti-Christian. I’m anti-religion for the most part. The only religion I can tolerate (and in small doses) is the AA higher-power variety.
> Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Do what? I’m not sure what to do. I believe people are entitled to their opinions and their faith. I might not agree with their faith, but they are entitled to it. The biggest issue I see right now is the back-lash against gay marriage, and against gays, which is faith-based for a lot of people. But I’m not exactly sure what to do about that, other than to vote.
December 31st, 2004 at 11:36 pm
lefty christianity
> Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
No. I grew up among Catholics, and most of them were lefties. Up until recently, I associated Christianity (Catholic Christianity) with the left. Plus the Jesus freaks of the early seventies were decidedly anti-establishment. I don’t know if I’d call them lefties, but they weren’t righties either.
But nowadays, protestant christians tend to be conservative. Even many Catholics have turned neo-con.
> Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
Yeah, I’m anti-Christian. I’m anti-religion for the most part. The only religion I can tolerate (and in small doses) is the AA higher-power variety.
> Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Do what? I’m not sure what to do. I believe people are entitled to their opinions and their faith. I might not agree with their faith, but they are entitled to it. The biggest issue I see right now is the back-lash against gay marriage, and against gays, which is faith-based for a lot of people. But I’m not exactly sure what to do about that, other than to vote.
December 31st, 2004 at 11:36 pm
lefty christianity
> Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
No. I grew up among Catholics, and most of them were lefties. Up until recently, I associated Christianity (Catholic Christianity) with the left. Plus the Jesus freaks of the early seventies were decidedly anti-establishment. I don’t know if I’d call them lefties, but they weren’t righties either.
But nowadays, protestant christians tend to be conservative. Even many Catholics have turned neo-con.
> Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
Yeah, I’m anti-Christian. I’m anti-religion for the most part. The only religion I can tolerate (and in small doses) is the AA higher-power variety.
> Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Do what? I’m not sure what to do. I believe people are entitled to their opinions and their faith. I might not agree with their faith, but they are entitled to it. The biggest issue I see right now is the back-lash against gay marriage, and against gays, which is faith-based for a lot of people. But I’m not exactly sure what to do about that, other than to vote.
December 31st, 2004 at 11:36 pm
lefty christianity
> Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
No. I grew up among Catholics, and most of them were lefties. Up until recently, I associated Christianity (Catholic Christianity) with the left. Plus the Jesus freaks of the early seventies were decidedly anti-establishment. I don’t know if I’d call them lefties, but they weren’t righties either.
But nowadays, protestant christians tend to be conservative. Even many Catholics have turned neo-con.
> Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
Yeah, I’m anti-Christian. I’m anti-religion for the most part. The only religion I can tolerate (and in small doses) is the AA higher-power variety.
> Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Do what? I’m not sure what to do. I believe people are entitled to their opinions and their faith. I might not agree with their faith, but they are entitled to it. The biggest issue I see right now is the back-lash against gay marriage, and against gays, which is faith-based for a lot of people. But I’m not exactly sure what to do about that, other than to vote.
December 31st, 2004 at 11:36 pm
lefty christianity
> Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
No. I grew up among Catholics, and most of them were lefties. Up until recently, I associated Christianity (Catholic Christianity) with the left. Plus the Jesus freaks of the early seventies were decidedly anti-establishment. I don’t know if I’d call them lefties, but they weren’t righties either.
But nowadays, protestant christians tend to be conservative. Even many Catholics have turned neo-con.
> Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
Yeah, I’m anti-Christian. I’m anti-religion for the most part. The only religion I can tolerate (and in small doses) is the AA higher-power variety.
> Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Do what? I’m not sure what to do. I believe people are entitled to their opinions and their faith. I might not agree with their faith, but they are entitled to it. The biggest issue I see right now is the back-lash against gay marriage, and against gays, which is faith-based for a lot of people. But I’m not exactly sure what to do about that, other than to vote.
December 31st, 2004 at 11:36 pm
lefty christianity
> Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
No. I grew up among Catholics, and most of them were lefties. Up until recently, I associated Christianity (Catholic Christianity) with the left. Plus the Jesus freaks of the early seventies were decidedly anti-establishment. I don’t know if I’d call them lefties, but they weren’t righties either.
But nowadays, protestant christians tend to be conservative. Even many Catholics have turned neo-con.
> Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
Yeah, I’m anti-Christian. I’m anti-religion for the most part. The only religion I can tolerate (and in small doses) is the AA higher-power variety.
> Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Do what? I’m not sure what to do. I believe people are entitled to their opinions and their faith. I might not agree with their faith, but they are entitled to it. The biggest issue I see right now is the back-lash against gay marriage, and against gays, which is faith-based for a lot of people. But I’m not exactly sure what to do about that, other than to vote.
December 31st, 2004 at 11:36 pm
lefty christianity
> Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
No. I grew up among Catholics, and most of them were lefties. Up until recently, I associated Christianity (Catholic Christianity) with the left. Plus the Jesus freaks of the early seventies were decidedly anti-establishment. I don’t know if I’d call them lefties, but they weren’t righties either.
But nowadays, protestant christians tend to be conservative. Even many Catholics have turned neo-con.
> Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
Yeah, I’m anti-Christian. I’m anti-religion for the most part. The only religion I can tolerate (and in small doses) is the AA higher-power variety.
> Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Do what? I’m not sure what to do. I believe people are entitled to their opinions and their faith. I might not agree with their faith, but they are entitled to it. The biggest issue I see right now is the back-lash against gay marriage, and against gays, which is faith-based for a lot of people. But I’m not exactly sure what to do about that, other than to vote.
December 31st, 2004 at 11:36 pm
lefty christianity
> Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
No. I grew up among Catholics, and most of them were lefties. Up until recently, I associated Christianity (Catholic Christianity) with the left. Plus the Jesus freaks of the early seventies were decidedly anti-establishment. I don’t know if I’d call them lefties, but they weren’t righties either.
But nowadays, protestant christians tend to be conservative. Even many Catholics have turned neo-con.
> Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
Yeah, I’m anti-Christian. I’m anti-religion for the most part. The only religion I can tolerate (and in small doses) is the AA higher-power variety.
> Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Do what? I’m not sure what to do. I believe people are entitled to their opinions and their faith. I might not agree with their faith, but they are entitled to it. The biggest issue I see right now is the back-lash against gay marriage, and against gays, which is faith-based for a lot of people. But I’m not exactly sure what to do about that, other than to vote.
December 31st, 2004 at 10:40 pm
thanx gary, i think that sort of sums up part of what i was trying to say.
December 31st, 2004 at 10:40 pm
thanx gary, i think that sort of sums up part of what i was trying to say.
December 31st, 2004 at 10:40 pm
thanx gary, i think that sort of sums up part of what i was trying to say.
December 31st, 2004 at 10:40 pm
thanx gary, i think that sort of sums up part of what i was trying to say.
December 31st, 2004 at 10:40 pm
thanx gary, i think that sort of sums up part of what i was trying to say.
December 31st, 2004 at 10:40 pm
thanx gary, i think that sort of sums up part of what i was trying to say.
December 31st, 2004 at 10:40 pm
thanx gary, i think that sort of sums up part of what i was trying to say.
December 31st, 2004 at 10:40 pm
thanx gary, i think that sort of sums up part of what i was trying to say.
December 31st, 2004 at 8:20 pm
Nicely said. Glad to see you are so tolerant and reasonable about it all, and I agree with you. 🙂
December 31st, 2004 at 8:20 pm
Nicely said. Glad to see you are so tolerant and reasonable about it all, and I agree with you. 🙂
December 31st, 2004 at 8:20 pm
Nicely said. Glad to see you are so tolerant and reasonable about it all, and I agree with you. 🙂
December 31st, 2004 at 8:20 pm
Nicely said. Glad to see you are so tolerant and reasonable about it all, and I agree with you. 🙂
December 31st, 2004 at 8:20 pm
Nicely said. Glad to see you are so tolerant and reasonable about it all, and I agree with you. 🙂
December 31st, 2004 at 8:20 pm
Nicely said. Glad to see you are so tolerant and reasonable about it all, and I agree with you. 🙂
December 31st, 2004 at 8:20 pm
Nicely said. Glad to see you are so tolerant and reasonable about it all, and I agree with you. 🙂
December 31st, 2004 at 8:20 pm
Nicely said. Glad to see you are so tolerant and reasonable about it all, and I agree with you. 🙂
December 31st, 2004 at 8:03 pm
Well I am a non-christain. I have always fought for EVERYBODIES rights, up to the point where it my infringe on anothers. I would no more ask a Christian to stop praying before he or she eats at the work place as I would not ask the muslum to stop praying to mecca at the work place either. And I have defended both.
Though I have known right wing Christians to complain about the Muslum… and me for that matter. But nothing bad has ever come of it.
Freedom of religon, is freedom for all religons. As is freedom of Speech. I may not like what you have to say, but I’ll defend you’re right to say it…
Let’s take the KKK… Christian and bigots. Many Left people defend their right to speak. We don;t like the BS they have to say. We may even protest loudly to let them know they are not excepted by us. But at they same time, if they can not speak, niether can we.
I know that a lot of people when they get into pagan/wicca ways from Christian come with a lot of hate of Christian ANYTHING. but as they learn and grow most realize that people need to be taken on a indivdual basis. Really, jesus was a good guy, taught of peace, and tolerance it’s just his followers don;t often listen to his words but those of minupulaters. But there are others who try not to judge, not to hate, stive to understand others. those are the people I meet. My own god father taught me tallerance and he was very Catholic. And he never got on me for leaving the faith.
December 31st, 2004 at 8:03 pm
Well I am a non-christain. I have always fought for EVERYBODIES rights, up to the point where it my infringe on anothers. I would no more ask a Christian to stop praying before he or she eats at the work place as I would not ask the muslum to stop praying to mecca at the work place either. And I have defended both.
Though I have known right wing Christians to complain about the Muslum… and me for that matter. But nothing bad has ever come of it.
Freedom of religon, is freedom for all religons. As is freedom of Speech. I may not like what you have to say, but I’ll defend you’re right to say it…
Let’s take the KKK… Christian and bigots. Many Left people defend their right to speak. We don;t like the BS they have to say. We may even protest loudly to let them know they are not excepted by us. But at they same time, if they can not speak, niether can we.
I know that a lot of people when they get into pagan/wicca ways from Christian come with a lot of hate of Christian ANYTHING. but as they learn and grow most realize that people need to be taken on a indivdual basis. Really, jesus was a good guy, taught of peace, and tolerance it’s just his followers don;t often listen to his words but those of minupulaters. But there are others who try not to judge, not to hate, stive to understand others. those are the people I meet. My own god father taught me tallerance and he was very Catholic. And he never got on me for leaving the faith.
December 31st, 2004 at 8:03 pm
Well I am a non-christain. I have always fought for EVERYBODIES rights, up to the point where it my infringe on anothers. I would no more ask a Christian to stop praying before he or she eats at the work place as I would not ask the muslum to stop praying to mecca at the work place either. And I have defended both.
Though I have known right wing Christians to complain about the Muslum… and me for that matter. But nothing bad has ever come of it.
Freedom of religon, is freedom for all religons. As is freedom of Speech. I may not like what you have to say, but I’ll defend you’re right to say it…
Let’s take the KKK… Christian and bigots. Many Left people defend their right to speak. We don;t like the BS they have to say. We may even protest loudly to let them know they are not excepted by us. But at they same time, if they can not speak, niether can we.
I know that a lot of people when they get into pagan/wicca ways from Christian come with a lot of hate of Christian ANYTHING. but as they learn and grow most realize that people need to be taken on a indivdual basis. Really, jesus was a good guy, taught of peace, and tolerance it’s just his followers don;t often listen to his words but those of minupulaters. But there are others who try not to judge, not to hate, stive to understand others. those are the people I meet. My own god father taught me tallerance and he was very Catholic. And he never got on me for leaving the faith.
December 31st, 2004 at 8:03 pm
Well I am a non-christain. I have always fought for EVERYBODIES rights, up to the point where it my infringe on anothers. I would no more ask a Christian to stop praying before he or she eats at the work place as I would not ask the muslum to stop praying to mecca at the work place either. And I have defended both.
Though I have known right wing Christians to complain about the Muslum… and me for that matter. But nothing bad has ever come of it.
Freedom of religon, is freedom for all religons. As is freedom of Speech. I may not like what you have to say, but I’ll defend you’re right to say it…
Let’s take the KKK… Christian and bigots. Many Left people defend their right to speak. We don;t like the BS they have to say. We may even protest loudly to let them know they are not excepted by us. But at they same time, if they can not speak, niether can we.
I know that a lot of people when they get into pagan/wicca ways from Christian come with a lot of hate of Christian ANYTHING. but as they learn and grow most realize that people need to be taken on a indivdual basis. Really, jesus was a good guy, taught of peace, and tolerance it’s just his followers don;t often listen to his words but those of minupulaters. But there are others who try not to judge, not to hate, stive to understand others. those are the people I meet. My own god father taught me tallerance and he was very Catholic. And he never got on me for leaving the faith.
December 31st, 2004 at 8:03 pm
Well I am a non-christain. I have always fought for EVERYBODIES rights, up to the point where it my infringe on anothers. I would no more ask a Christian to stop praying before he or she eats at the work place as I would not ask the muslum to stop praying to mecca at the work place either. And I have defended both.
Though I have known right wing Christians to complain about the Muslum… and me for that matter. But nothing bad has ever come of it.
Freedom of religon, is freedom for all religons. As is freedom of Speech. I may not like what you have to say, but I’ll defend you’re right to say it…
Let’s take the KKK… Christian and bigots. Many Left people defend their right to speak. We don;t like the BS they have to say. We may even protest loudly to let them know they are not excepted by us. But at they same time, if they can not speak, niether can we.
I know that a lot of people when they get into pagan/wicca ways from Christian come with a lot of hate of Christian ANYTHING. but as they learn and grow most realize that people need to be taken on a indivdual basis. Really, jesus was a good guy, taught of peace, and tolerance it’s just his followers don;t often listen to his words but those of minupulaters. But there are others who try not to judge, not to hate, stive to understand others. those are the people I meet. My own god father taught me tallerance and he was very Catholic. And he never got on me for leaving the faith.
December 31st, 2004 at 8:03 pm
Well I am a non-christain. I have always fought for EVERYBODIES rights, up to the point where it my infringe on anothers. I would no more ask a Christian to stop praying before he or she eats at the work place as I would not ask the muslum to stop praying to mecca at the work place either. And I have defended both.
Though I have known right wing Christians to complain about the Muslum… and me for that matter. But nothing bad has ever come of it.
Freedom of religon, is freedom for all religons. As is freedom of Speech. I may not like what you have to say, but I’ll defend you’re right to say it…
Let’s take the KKK… Christian and bigots. Many Left people defend their right to speak. We don;t like the BS they have to say. We may even protest loudly to let them know they are not excepted by us. But at they same time, if they can not speak, niether can we.
I know that a lot of people when they get into pagan/wicca ways from Christian come with a lot of hate of Christian ANYTHING. but as they learn and grow most realize that people need to be taken on a indivdual basis. Really, jesus was a good guy, taught of peace, and tolerance it’s just his followers don;t often listen to his words but those of minupulaters. But there are others who try not to judge, not to hate, stive to understand others. those are the people I meet. My own god father taught me tallerance and he was very Catholic. And he never got on me for leaving the faith.
December 31st, 2004 at 8:03 pm
Well I am a non-christain. I have always fought for EVERYBODIES rights, up to the point where it my infringe on anothers. I would no more ask a Christian to stop praying before he or she eats at the work place as I would not ask the muslum to stop praying to mecca at the work place either. And I have defended both.
Though I have known right wing Christians to complain about the Muslum… and me for that matter. But nothing bad has ever come of it.
Freedom of religon, is freedom for all religons. As is freedom of Speech. I may not like what you have to say, but I’ll defend you’re right to say it…
Let’s take the KKK… Christian and bigots. Many Left people defend their right to speak. We don;t like the BS they have to say. We may even protest loudly to let them know they are not excepted by us. But at they same time, if they can not speak, niether can we.
I know that a lot of people when they get into pagan/wicca ways from Christian come with a lot of hate of Christian ANYTHING. but as they learn and grow most realize that people need to be taken on a indivdual basis. Really, jesus was a good guy, taught of peace, and tolerance it’s just his followers don;t often listen to his words but those of minupulaters. But there are others who try not to judge, not to hate, stive to understand others. those are the people I meet. My own god father taught me tallerance and he was very Catholic. And he never got on me for leaving the faith.
December 31st, 2004 at 8:03 pm
Well I am a non-christain. I have always fought for EVERYBODIES rights, up to the point where it my infringe on anothers. I would no more ask a Christian to stop praying before he or she eats at the work place as I would not ask the muslum to stop praying to mecca at the work place either. And I have defended both.
Though I have known right wing Christians to complain about the Muslum… and me for that matter. But nothing bad has ever come of it.
Freedom of religon, is freedom for all religons. As is freedom of Speech. I may not like what you have to say, but I’ll defend you’re right to say it…
Let’s take the KKK… Christian and bigots. Many Left people defend their right to speak. We don;t like the BS they have to say. We may even protest loudly to let them know they are not excepted by us. But at they same time, if they can not speak, niether can we.
I know that a lot of people when they get into pagan/wicca ways from Christian come with a lot of hate of Christian ANYTHING. but as they learn and grow most realize that people need to be taken on a indivdual basis. Really, jesus was a good guy, taught of peace, and tolerance it’s just his followers don;t often listen to his words but those of minupulaters. But there are others who try not to judge, not to hate, stive to understand others. those are the people I meet. My own god father taught me tallerance and he was very Catholic. And he never got on me for leaving the faith.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:39 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I believe they are, for all the reasons that started this conversation. I’ll be reading more on how the Left attacks Christianity (not Muslims, not Jews, just Christians) in the near future, as it seems to be a worthwhile social issue to educate myself in.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I’m not anti-Christian, though I’m not a practicing one (father was a minister, left a bad taste). But I believe they have every right to their beliefs and their opinions, and I may even return to the church someday, if I can get past all those pesky people attending.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Consider this: When the Left wants to win an election, they have to make sure their candidate (especially in presidential elections) at least appears to have some belief in the Christian God, so they’ll get votes from the religious moderates. IF the Left is anti-Christian, then why continue the charade of church-going? If it’s not anti-Christian, maybe it should stop acting as though it were.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:39 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I believe they are, for all the reasons that started this conversation. I’ll be reading more on how the Left attacks Christianity (not Muslims, not Jews, just Christians) in the near future, as it seems to be a worthwhile social issue to educate myself in.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I’m not anti-Christian, though I’m not a practicing one (father was a minister, left a bad taste). But I believe they have every right to their beliefs and their opinions, and I may even return to the church someday, if I can get past all those pesky people attending.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Consider this: When the Left wants to win an election, they have to make sure their candidate (especially in presidential elections) at least appears to have some belief in the Christian God, so they’ll get votes from the religious moderates. IF the Left is anti-Christian, then why continue the charade of church-going? If it’s not anti-Christian, maybe it should stop acting as though it were.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:39 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I believe they are, for all the reasons that started this conversation. I’ll be reading more on how the Left attacks Christianity (not Muslims, not Jews, just Christians) in the near future, as it seems to be a worthwhile social issue to educate myself in.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I’m not anti-Christian, though I’m not a practicing one (father was a minister, left a bad taste). But I believe they have every right to their beliefs and their opinions, and I may even return to the church someday, if I can get past all those pesky people attending.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Consider this: When the Left wants to win an election, they have to make sure their candidate (especially in presidential elections) at least appears to have some belief in the Christian God, so they’ll get votes from the religious moderates. IF the Left is anti-Christian, then why continue the charade of church-going? If it’s not anti-Christian, maybe it should stop acting as though it were.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:39 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I believe they are, for all the reasons that started this conversation. I’ll be reading more on how the Left attacks Christianity (not Muslims, not Jews, just Christians) in the near future, as it seems to be a worthwhile social issue to educate myself in.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I’m not anti-Christian, though I’m not a practicing one (father was a minister, left a bad taste). But I believe they have every right to their beliefs and their opinions, and I may even return to the church someday, if I can get past all those pesky people attending.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Consider this: When the Left wants to win an election, they have to make sure their candidate (especially in presidential elections) at least appears to have some belief in the Christian God, so they’ll get votes from the religious moderates. IF the Left is anti-Christian, then why continue the charade of church-going? If it’s not anti-Christian, maybe it should stop acting as though it were.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:39 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I believe they are, for all the reasons that started this conversation. I’ll be reading more on how the Left attacks Christianity (not Muslims, not Jews, just Christians) in the near future, as it seems to be a worthwhile social issue to educate myself in.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I’m not anti-Christian, though I’m not a practicing one (father was a minister, left a bad taste). But I believe they have every right to their beliefs and their opinions, and I may even return to the church someday, if I can get past all those pesky people attending.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Consider this: When the Left wants to win an election, they have to make sure their candidate (especially in presidential elections) at least appears to have some belief in the Christian God, so they’ll get votes from the religious moderates. IF the Left is anti-Christian, then why continue the charade of church-going? If it’s not anti-Christian, maybe it should stop acting as though it were.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:39 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I believe they are, for all the reasons that started this conversation. I’ll be reading more on how the Left attacks Christianity (not Muslims, not Jews, just Christians) in the near future, as it seems to be a worthwhile social issue to educate myself in.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I’m not anti-Christian, though I’m not a practicing one (father was a minister, left a bad taste). But I believe they have every right to their beliefs and their opinions, and I may even return to the church someday, if I can get past all those pesky people attending.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Consider this: When the Left wants to win an election, they have to make sure their candidate (especially in presidential elections) at least appears to have some belief in the Christian God, so they’ll get votes from the religious moderates. IF the Left is anti-Christian, then why continue the charade of church-going? If it’s not anti-Christian, maybe it should stop acting as though it were.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:39 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I believe they are, for all the reasons that started this conversation. I’ll be reading more on how the Left attacks Christianity (not Muslims, not Jews, just Christians) in the near future, as it seems to be a worthwhile social issue to educate myself in.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I’m not anti-Christian, though I’m not a practicing one (father was a minister, left a bad taste). But I believe they have every right to their beliefs and their opinions, and I may even return to the church someday, if I can get past all those pesky people attending.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Consider this: When the Left wants to win an election, they have to make sure their candidate (especially in presidential elections) at least appears to have some belief in the Christian God, so they’ll get votes from the religious moderates. IF the Left is anti-Christian, then why continue the charade of church-going? If it’s not anti-Christian, maybe it should stop acting as though it were.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:39 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I believe they are, for all the reasons that started this conversation. I’ll be reading more on how the Left attacks Christianity (not Muslims, not Jews, just Christians) in the near future, as it seems to be a worthwhile social issue to educate myself in.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I’m not anti-Christian, though I’m not a practicing one (father was a minister, left a bad taste). But I believe they have every right to their beliefs and their opinions, and I may even return to the church someday, if I can get past all those pesky people attending.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
Consider this: When the Left wants to win an election, they have to make sure their candidate (especially in presidential elections) at least appears to have some belief in the Christian God, so they’ll get votes from the religious moderates. IF the Left is anti-Christian, then why continue the charade of church-going? If it’s not anti-Christian, maybe it should stop acting as though it were.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:30 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Oddly enough, this subject line was started because of a book by a liberal who doesn’t toe the party line (and has been labeled a conservative for it) named Tammy Bruce. Is she, then, a victim of spin?
December 31st, 2004 at 7:30 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Oddly enough, this subject line was started because of a book by a liberal who doesn’t toe the party line (and has been labeled a conservative for it) named Tammy Bruce. Is she, then, a victim of spin?
December 31st, 2004 at 7:30 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Oddly enough, this subject line was started because of a book by a liberal who doesn’t toe the party line (and has been labeled a conservative for it) named Tammy Bruce. Is she, then, a victim of spin?
December 31st, 2004 at 7:30 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Oddly enough, this subject line was started because of a book by a liberal who doesn’t toe the party line (and has been labeled a conservative for it) named Tammy Bruce. Is she, then, a victim of spin?
December 31st, 2004 at 7:30 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Oddly enough, this subject line was started because of a book by a liberal who doesn’t toe the party line (and has been labeled a conservative for it) named Tammy Bruce. Is she, then, a victim of spin?
December 31st, 2004 at 7:30 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Oddly enough, this subject line was started because of a book by a liberal who doesn’t toe the party line (and has been labeled a conservative for it) named Tammy Bruce. Is she, then, a victim of spin?
December 31st, 2004 at 7:30 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Oddly enough, this subject line was started because of a book by a liberal who doesn’t toe the party line (and has been labeled a conservative for it) named Tammy Bruce. Is she, then, a victim of spin?
December 31st, 2004 at 7:30 pm
Re: CONventional wisdom
Oddly enough, this subject line was started because of a book by a liberal who doesn’t toe the party line (and has been labeled a conservative for it) named Tammy Bruce. Is she, then, a victim of spin?
December 31st, 2004 at 7:27 pm
Re: Left, Right…Two wrongs.
That’s a great clip.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:27 pm
Re: Left, Right…Two wrongs.
That’s a great clip.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:27 pm
Re: Left, Right…Two wrongs.
That’s a great clip.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:27 pm
Re: Left, Right…Two wrongs.
That’s a great clip.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:27 pm
Re: Left, Right…Two wrongs.
That’s a great clip.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:27 pm
Re: Left, Right…Two wrongs.
That’s a great clip.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:27 pm
Re: Left, Right…Two wrongs.
That’s a great clip.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:27 pm
Re: Left, Right…Two wrongs.
That’s a great clip.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:26 pm
I’ll point out…the left is tolerant of other groups, but not typically Christians, as they’re the one group left they feel should be persecuted. Not all leftists, but a lot of them.
When’s the last time the left defended any Christian group’s rights? And I ask that as a non-Christian, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:26 pm
I’ll point out…the left is tolerant of other groups, but not typically Christians, as they’re the one group left they feel should be persecuted. Not all leftists, but a lot of them.
When’s the last time the left defended any Christian group’s rights? And I ask that as a non-Christian, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:26 pm
I’ll point out…the left is tolerant of other groups, but not typically Christians, as they’re the one group left they feel should be persecuted. Not all leftists, but a lot of them.
When’s the last time the left defended any Christian group’s rights? And I ask that as a non-Christian, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:26 pm
I’ll point out…the left is tolerant of other groups, but not typically Christians, as they’re the one group left they feel should be persecuted. Not all leftists, but a lot of them.
When’s the last time the left defended any Christian group’s rights? And I ask that as a non-Christian, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:26 pm
I’ll point out…the left is tolerant of other groups, but not typically Christians, as they’re the one group left they feel should be persecuted. Not all leftists, but a lot of them.
When’s the last time the left defended any Christian group’s rights? And I ask that as a non-Christian, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:26 pm
I’ll point out…the left is tolerant of other groups, but not typically Christians, as they’re the one group left they feel should be persecuted. Not all leftists, but a lot of them.
When’s the last time the left defended any Christian group’s rights? And I ask that as a non-Christian, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:26 pm
I’ll point out…the left is tolerant of other groups, but not typically Christians, as they’re the one group left they feel should be persecuted. Not all leftists, but a lot of them.
When’s the last time the left defended any Christian group’s rights? And I ask that as a non-Christian, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:26 pm
I’ll point out…the left is tolerant of other groups, but not typically Christians, as they’re the one group left they feel should be persecuted. Not all leftists, but a lot of them.
When’s the last time the left defended any Christian group’s rights? And I ask that as a non-Christian, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:22 pm
I can’t pipe in without probably stumbling over my words, but I wanted to say Thank You for opening up some discussion.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:22 pm
I can’t pipe in without probably stumbling over my words, but I wanted to say Thank You for opening up some discussion.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:22 pm
I can’t pipe in without probably stumbling over my words, but I wanted to say Thank You for opening up some discussion.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:22 pm
I can’t pipe in without probably stumbling over my words, but I wanted to say Thank You for opening up some discussion.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:22 pm
I can’t pipe in without probably stumbling over my words, but I wanted to say Thank You for opening up some discussion.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:22 pm
I can’t pipe in without probably stumbling over my words, but I wanted to say Thank You for opening up some discussion.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:22 pm
I can’t pipe in without probably stumbling over my words, but I wanted to say Thank You for opening up some discussion.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:22 pm
I can’t pipe in without probably stumbling over my words, but I wanted to say Thank You for opening up some discussion.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:02 pm
It seems to me that both sides believe in freedom of religion, but the left includes freedom from religion in that belief.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:02 pm
It seems to me that both sides believe in freedom of religion, but the left includes freedom from religion in that belief.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:02 pm
It seems to me that both sides believe in freedom of religion, but the left includes freedom from religion in that belief.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:02 pm
It seems to me that both sides believe in freedom of religion, but the left includes freedom from religion in that belief.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:02 pm
It seems to me that both sides believe in freedom of religion, but the left includes freedom from religion in that belief.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:02 pm
It seems to me that both sides believe in freedom of religion, but the left includes freedom from religion in that belief.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:02 pm
It seems to me that both sides believe in freedom of religion, but the left includes freedom from religion in that belief.
December 31st, 2004 at 7:02 pm
It seems to me that both sides believe in freedom of religion, but the left includes freedom from religion in that belief.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:45 pm
I would say that the Left is most definetely anti-Christian. For me personally, I consider Christians a bit too much like the insane homeless guy on the corner wearing the ballerina outfit. I just don’t trust ’em.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:45 pm
I would say that the Left is most definetely anti-Christian. For me personally, I consider Christians a bit too much like the insane homeless guy on the corner wearing the ballerina outfit. I just don’t trust ’em.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:45 pm
I would say that the Left is most definetely anti-Christian. For me personally, I consider Christians a bit too much like the insane homeless guy on the corner wearing the ballerina outfit. I just don’t trust ’em.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:45 pm
I would say that the Left is most definetely anti-Christian. For me personally, I consider Christians a bit too much like the insane homeless guy on the corner wearing the ballerina outfit. I just don’t trust ’em.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:45 pm
I would say that the Left is most definetely anti-Christian. For me personally, I consider Christians a bit too much like the insane homeless guy on the corner wearing the ballerina outfit. I just don’t trust ’em.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:45 pm
I would say that the Left is most definetely anti-Christian. For me personally, I consider Christians a bit too much like the insane homeless guy on the corner wearing the ballerina outfit. I just don’t trust ’em.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:45 pm
I would say that the Left is most definetely anti-Christian. For me personally, I consider Christians a bit too much like the insane homeless guy on the corner wearing the ballerina outfit. I just don’t trust ’em.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:45 pm
I would say that the Left is most definetely anti-Christian. For me personally, I consider Christians a bit too much like the insane homeless guy on the corner wearing the ballerina outfit. I just don’t trust ’em.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:33 pm
*grin*
I won’t even try to unwind that.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:33 pm
*grin*
I won’t even try to unwind that.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:33 pm
*grin*
I won’t even try to unwind that.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:33 pm
*grin*
I won’t even try to unwind that.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:33 pm
*grin*
I won’t even try to unwind that.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:33 pm
*grin*
I won’t even try to unwind that.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:33 pm
*grin*
I won’t even try to unwind that.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:33 pm
*grin*
I won’t even try to unwind that.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:31 pm
You are brilliant. Thanks.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:31 pm
You are brilliant. Thanks.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:31 pm
You are brilliant. Thanks.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:31 pm
You are brilliant. Thanks.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:31 pm
You are brilliant. Thanks.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:31 pm
You are brilliant. Thanks.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:31 pm
You are brilliant. Thanks.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:31 pm
You are brilliant. Thanks.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:30 pm
well most of the left are either tolerent of other’s rights or are part of the subculture that needs tolerance and therfor need to be tolerent of all the other people out there or we can’t come together as a unified front aganst intollerence for ours or anyone else’s subgroubs . Hee hee. So i guess I am equating the left with tolerance.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:30 pm
well most of the left are either tolerent of other’s rights or are part of the subculture that needs tolerance and therfor need to be tolerent of all the other people out there or we can’t come together as a unified front aganst intollerence for ours or anyone else’s subgroubs . Hee hee. So i guess I am equating the left with tolerance.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:30 pm
well most of the left are either tolerent of other’s rights or are part of the subculture that needs tolerance and therfor need to be tolerent of all the other people out there or we can’t come together as a unified front aganst intollerence for ours or anyone else’s subgroubs . Hee hee. So i guess I am equating the left with tolerance.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:30 pm
well most of the left are either tolerent of other’s rights or are part of the subculture that needs tolerance and therfor need to be tolerent of all the other people out there or we can’t come together as a unified front aganst intollerence for ours or anyone else’s subgroubs . Hee hee. So i guess I am equating the left with tolerance.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:30 pm
well most of the left are either tolerent of other’s rights or are part of the subculture that needs tolerance and therfor need to be tolerent of all the other people out there or we can’t come together as a unified front aganst intollerence for ours or anyone else’s subgroubs . Hee hee. So i guess I am equating the left with tolerance.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:30 pm
well most of the left are either tolerent of other’s rights or are part of the subculture that needs tolerance and therfor need to be tolerent of all the other people out there or we can’t come together as a unified front aganst intollerence for ours or anyone else’s subgroubs . Hee hee. So i guess I am equating the left with tolerance.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:30 pm
well most of the left are either tolerent of other’s rights or are part of the subculture that needs tolerance and therfor need to be tolerent of all the other people out there or we can’t come together as a unified front aganst intollerence for ours or anyone else’s subgroubs . Hee hee. So i guess I am equating the left with tolerance.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:30 pm
well most of the left are either tolerent of other’s rights or are part of the subculture that needs tolerance and therfor need to be tolerent of all the other people out there or we can’t come together as a unified front aganst intollerence for ours or anyone else’s subgroubs . Hee hee. So i guess I am equating the left with tolerance.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:22 pm
hehe, you’re equating tolerance with lefty’s.
Just thought i’d point that out.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:22 pm
hehe, you’re equating tolerance with lefty’s.
Just thought i’d point that out.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:22 pm
hehe, you’re equating tolerance with lefty’s.
Just thought i’d point that out.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:22 pm
hehe, you’re equating tolerance with lefty’s.
Just thought i’d point that out.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:22 pm
hehe, you’re equating tolerance with lefty’s.
Just thought i’d point that out.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:22 pm
hehe, you’re equating tolerance with lefty’s.
Just thought i’d point that out.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:22 pm
hehe, you’re equating tolerance with lefty’s.
Just thought i’d point that out.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:22 pm
hehe, you’re equating tolerance with lefty’s.
Just thought i’d point that out.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:14 pm
Thank you for joining in, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:14 pm
Thank you for joining in, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:14 pm
Thank you for joining in, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:14 pm
Thank you for joining in, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:14 pm
Thank you for joining in, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:14 pm
Thank you for joining in, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:14 pm
Thank you for joining in, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 6:14 pm
Thank you for joining in, by the way.
December 31st, 2004 at 5:47 pm
I see myself as a moderate, but at my Christian school I am seen as a lefty.
Organized religion isn’t wrong or right–it’s incredibly shortsighted of most to even make assumptions on this. obviously, some organized religions have gone completely overboard, and you can see this. duh. read “under the banner of heaven” by jon krakauer. it’s about the beginnings of mormonism, and the appearance of fundamentalist mormonism. reading this, we can understand why some ‘foreign religious fanatics’ may do what they do.
My father is a minister at a church that is associated with the Baptist General Conference, and I KNOW that just sent shivers down many people’s spines. The fact is, you know NOTHING about it. That’s the problem. People hear “Baptist” and all these images soar through their minds–Bible-thumping, snake-handling, revival-shouting jeeee-ssss-uuuuuus (up to four syllables here folks) woooooorshippppers. They don’t know what they’re fighting, but they think it’s all wrong.
Southern Baptist. Don’t get me started. There are so many denominations who do ‘crazy’ things, even to me. But then you have denominations like ours, where there isn’t a hierarchy, there isn’t a rule that you need to stay in the denomination. If the denomination goes in a way the church doesn’t agree with, they can simply stop being a part of that denomination. The church isn’t bound to a book of rules, like many religions and denominations. And this is not to say my father and I agree on everything–in fact, most of the time we have to agree to disagree. The other night, over something quite small and seemingly unimportant, he called me a ‘product of my generation’ to which I (sarcastically, bitchy, “i’m in college i know everything”ly) replied “gosh Dad I love it when you talk about me and my generation.”
Do we agree on everything? NO. Does ever member in our church agree on everything? No. But you see, we don’t have to.
But of course, most people don’t know this, because they simply don’t care, or don’t research what they are against.
Can you be a lefty and participate in organized religion? I think that’s an obvious yes. Can you participate in organized religion and be scary? Look at our fair president.
By taking “organized religion” and grouping it that way, mistakes are made and generalizations occur that simply should NOT BE.
And the problem is on both sides you see. For instance, on my campus a girl drives a little Honda that carries the bumper sticker “You can’t be Pro-Choice and a Christian.” Wanna bet biotch?? Sometimes I want to leave her little bumper stickers I’ve made myself. Sometimes I want to find out who she is an call her up, talk to her… She obviously doesn’t see both sides of the issue.
There is this huge call for tolerance–tolerance of all things but religion, it seems. And this is not to say I’m for all organized religion. I am anti-mormon, which I feel almost bad about, I would not support the Catholic church, nor would I support most Baptist or Nazarene or Methodist churches.
But you can’t paint us all with the same puke-green color. Because that would be unfair. That would show a lack of tolerance.
And you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?
December 31st, 2004 at 5:47 pm
I see myself as a moderate, but at my Christian school I am seen as a lefty.
Organized religion isn’t wrong or right–it’s incredibly shortsighted of most to even make assumptions on this. obviously, some organized religions have gone completely overboard, and you can see this. duh. read “under the banner of heaven” by jon krakauer. it’s about the beginnings of mormonism, and the appearance of fundamentalist mormonism. reading this, we can understand why some ‘foreign religious fanatics’ may do what they do.
My father is a minister at a church that is associated with the Baptist General Conference, and I KNOW that just sent shivers down many people’s spines. The fact is, you know NOTHING about it. That’s the problem. People hear “Baptist” and all these images soar through their minds–Bible-thumping, snake-handling, revival-shouting jeeee-ssss-uuuuuus (up to four syllables here folks) woooooorshippppers. They don’t know what they’re fighting, but they think it’s all wrong.
Southern Baptist. Don’t get me started. There are so many denominations who do ‘crazy’ things, even to me. But then you have denominations like ours, where there isn’t a hierarchy, there isn’t a rule that you need to stay in the denomination. If the denomination goes in a way the church doesn’t agree with, they can simply stop being a part of that denomination. The church isn’t bound to a book of rules, like many religions and denominations. And this is not to say my father and I agree on everything–in fact, most of the time we have to agree to disagree. The other night, over something quite small and seemingly unimportant, he called me a ‘product of my generation’ to which I (sarcastically, bitchy, “i’m in college i know everything”ly) replied “gosh Dad I love it when you talk about me and my generation.”
Do we agree on everything? NO. Does ever member in our church agree on everything? No. But you see, we don’t have to.
But of course, most people don’t know this, because they simply don’t care, or don’t research what they are against.
Can you be a lefty and participate in organized religion? I think that’s an obvious yes. Can you participate in organized religion and be scary? Look at our fair president.
By taking “organized religion” and grouping it that way, mistakes are made and generalizations occur that simply should NOT BE.
And the problem is on both sides you see. For instance, on my campus a girl drives a little Honda that carries the bumper sticker “You can’t be Pro-Choice and a Christian.” Wanna bet biotch?? Sometimes I want to leave her little bumper stickers I’ve made myself. Sometimes I want to find out who she is an call her up, talk to her… She obviously doesn’t see both sides of the issue.
There is this huge call for tolerance–tolerance of all things but religion, it seems. And this is not to say I’m for all organized religion. I am anti-mormon, which I feel almost bad about, I would not support the Catholic church, nor would I support most Baptist or Nazarene or Methodist churches.
But you can’t paint us all with the same puke-green color. Because that would be unfair. That would show a lack of tolerance.
And you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?
December 31st, 2004 at 5:47 pm
I see myself as a moderate, but at my Christian school I am seen as a lefty.
Organized religion isn’t wrong or right–it’s incredibly shortsighted of most to even make assumptions on this. obviously, some organized religions have gone completely overboard, and you can see this. duh. read “under the banner of heaven” by jon krakauer. it’s about the beginnings of mormonism, and the appearance of fundamentalist mormonism. reading this, we can understand why some ‘foreign religious fanatics’ may do what they do.
My father is a minister at a church that is associated with the Baptist General Conference, and I KNOW that just sent shivers down many people’s spines. The fact is, you know NOTHING about it. That’s the problem. People hear “Baptist” and all these images soar through their minds–Bible-thumping, snake-handling, revival-shouting jeeee-ssss-uuuuuus (up to four syllables here folks) woooooorshippppers. They don’t know what they’re fighting, but they think it’s all wrong.
Southern Baptist. Don’t get me started. There are so many denominations who do ‘crazy’ things, even to me. But then you have denominations like ours, where there isn’t a hierarchy, there isn’t a rule that you need to stay in the denomination. If the denomination goes in a way the church doesn’t agree with, they can simply stop being a part of that denomination. The church isn’t bound to a book of rules, like many religions and denominations. And this is not to say my father and I agree on everything–in fact, most of the time we have to agree to disagree. The other night, over something quite small and seemingly unimportant, he called me a ‘product of my generation’ to which I (sarcastically, bitchy, “i’m in college i know everything”ly) replied “gosh Dad I love it when you talk about me and my generation.”
Do we agree on everything? NO. Does ever member in our church agree on everything? No. But you see, we don’t have to.
But of course, most people don’t know this, because they simply don’t care, or don’t research what they are against.
Can you be a lefty and participate in organized religion? I think that’s an obvious yes. Can you participate in organized religion and be scary? Look at our fair president.
By taking “organized religion” and grouping it that way, mistakes are made and generalizations occur that simply should NOT BE.
And the problem is on both sides you see. For instance, on my campus a girl drives a little Honda that carries the bumper sticker “You can’t be Pro-Choice and a Christian.” Wanna bet biotch?? Sometimes I want to leave her little bumper stickers I’ve made myself. Sometimes I want to find out who she is an call her up, talk to her… She obviously doesn’t see both sides of the issue.
There is this huge call for tolerance–tolerance of all things but religion, it seems. And this is not to say I’m for all organized religion. I am anti-mormon, which I feel almost bad about, I would not support the Catholic church, nor would I support most Baptist or Nazarene or Methodist churches.
But you can’t paint us all with the same puke-green color. Because that would be unfair. That would show a lack of tolerance.
And you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?
December 31st, 2004 at 5:47 pm
I see myself as a moderate, but at my Christian school I am seen as a lefty.
Organized religion isn’t wrong or right–it’s incredibly shortsighted of most to even make assumptions on this. obviously, some organized religions have gone completely overboard, and you can see this. duh. read “under the banner of heaven” by jon krakauer. it’s about the beginnings of mormonism, and the appearance of fundamentalist mormonism. reading this, we can understand why some ‘foreign religious fanatics’ may do what they do.
My father is a minister at a church that is associated with the Baptist General Conference, and I KNOW that just sent shivers down many people’s spines. The fact is, you know NOTHING about it. That’s the problem. People hear “Baptist” and all these images soar through their minds–Bible-thumping, snake-handling, revival-shouting jeeee-ssss-uuuuuus (up to four syllables here folks) woooooorshippppers. They don’t know what they’re fighting, but they think it’s all wrong.
Southern Baptist. Don’t get me started. There are so many denominations who do ‘crazy’ things, even to me. But then you have denominations like ours, where there isn’t a hierarchy, there isn’t a rule that you need to stay in the denomination. If the denomination goes in a way the church doesn’t agree with, they can simply stop being a part of that denomination. The church isn’t bound to a book of rules, like many religions and denominations. And this is not to say my father and I agree on everything–in fact, most of the time we have to agree to disagree. The other night, over something quite small and seemingly unimportant, he called me a ‘product of my generation’ to which I (sarcastically, bitchy, “i’m in college i know everything”ly) replied “gosh Dad I love it when you talk about me and my generation.”
Do we agree on everything? NO. Does ever member in our church agree on everything? No. But you see, we don’t have to.
But of course, most people don’t know this, because they simply don’t care, or don’t research what they are against.
Can you be a lefty and participate in organized religion? I think that’s an obvious yes. Can you participate in organized religion and be scary? Look at our fair president.
By taking “organized religion” and grouping it that way, mistakes are made and generalizations occur that simply should NOT BE.
And the problem is on both sides you see. For instance, on my campus a girl drives a little Honda that carries the bumper sticker “You can’t be Pro-Choice and a Christian.” Wanna bet biotch?? Sometimes I want to leave her little bumper stickers I’ve made myself. Sometimes I want to find out who she is an call her up, talk to her… She obviously doesn’t see both sides of the issue.
There is this huge call for tolerance–tolerance of all things but religion, it seems. And this is not to say I’m for all organized religion. I am anti-mormon, which I feel almost bad about, I would not support the Catholic church, nor would I support most Baptist or Nazarene or Methodist churches.
But you can’t paint us all with the same puke-green color. Because that would be unfair. That would show a lack of tolerance.
And you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?
December 31st, 2004 at 5:47 pm
I see myself as a moderate, but at my Christian school I am seen as a lefty.
Organized religion isn’t wrong or right–it’s incredibly shortsighted of most to even make assumptions on this. obviously, some organized religions have gone completely overboard, and you can see this. duh. read “under the banner of heaven” by jon krakauer. it’s about the beginnings of mormonism, and the appearance of fundamentalist mormonism. reading this, we can understand why some ‘foreign religious fanatics’ may do what they do.
My father is a minister at a church that is associated with the Baptist General Conference, and I KNOW that just sent shivers down many people’s spines. The fact is, you know NOTHING about it. That’s the problem. People hear “Baptist” and all these images soar through their minds–Bible-thumping, snake-handling, revival-shouting jeeee-ssss-uuuuuus (up to four syllables here folks) woooooorshippppers. They don’t know what they’re fighting, but they think it’s all wrong.
Southern Baptist. Don’t get me started. There are so many denominations who do ‘crazy’ things, even to me. But then you have denominations like ours, where there isn’t a hierarchy, there isn’t a rule that you need to stay in the denomination. If the denomination goes in a way the church doesn’t agree with, they can simply stop being a part of that denomination. The church isn’t bound to a book of rules, like many religions and denominations. And this is not to say my father and I agree on everything–in fact, most of the time we have to agree to disagree. The other night, over something quite small and seemingly unimportant, he called me a ‘product of my generation’ to which I (sarcastically, bitchy, “i’m in college i know everything”ly) replied “gosh Dad I love it when you talk about me and my generation.”
Do we agree on everything? NO. Does ever member in our church agree on everything? No. But you see, we don’t have to.
But of course, most people don’t know this, because they simply don’t care, or don’t research what they are against.
Can you be a lefty and participate in organized religion? I think that’s an obvious yes. Can you participate in organized religion and be scary? Look at our fair president.
By taking “organized religion” and grouping it that way, mistakes are made and generalizations occur that simply should NOT BE.
And the problem is on both sides you see. For instance, on my campus a girl drives a little Honda that carries the bumper sticker “You can’t be Pro-Choice and a Christian.” Wanna bet biotch?? Sometimes I want to leave her little bumper stickers I’ve made myself. Sometimes I want to find out who she is an call her up, talk to her… She obviously doesn’t see both sides of the issue.
There is this huge call for tolerance–tolerance of all things but religion, it seems. And this is not to say I’m for all organized religion. I am anti-mormon, which I feel almost bad about, I would not support the Catholic church, nor would I support most Baptist or Nazarene or Methodist churches.
But you can’t paint us all with the same puke-green color. Because that would be unfair. That would show a lack of tolerance.
And you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?
December 31st, 2004 at 5:47 pm
I see myself as a moderate, but at my Christian school I am seen as a lefty.
Organized religion isn’t wrong or right–it’s incredibly shortsighted of most to even make assumptions on this. obviously, some organized religions have gone completely overboard, and you can see this. duh. read “under the banner of heaven” by jon krakauer. it’s about the beginnings of mormonism, and the appearance of fundamentalist mormonism. reading this, we can understand why some ‘foreign religious fanatics’ may do what they do.
My father is a minister at a church that is associated with the Baptist General Conference, and I KNOW that just sent shivers down many people’s spines. The fact is, you know NOTHING about it. That’s the problem. People hear “Baptist” and all these images soar through their minds–Bible-thumping, snake-handling, revival-shouting jeeee-ssss-uuuuuus (up to four syllables here folks) woooooorshippppers. They don’t know what they’re fighting, but they think it’s all wrong.
Southern Baptist. Don’t get me started. There are so many denominations who do ‘crazy’ things, even to me. But then you have denominations like ours, where there isn’t a hierarchy, there isn’t a rule that you need to stay in the denomination. If the denomination goes in a way the church doesn’t agree with, they can simply stop being a part of that denomination. The church isn’t bound to a book of rules, like many religions and denominations. And this is not to say my father and I agree on everything–in fact, most of the time we have to agree to disagree. The other night, over something quite small and seemingly unimportant, he called me a ‘product of my generation’ to which I (sarcastically, bitchy, “i’m in college i know everything”ly) replied “gosh Dad I love it when you talk about me and my generation.”
Do we agree on everything? NO. Does ever member in our church agree on everything? No. But you see, we don’t have to.
But of course, most people don’t know this, because they simply don’t care, or don’t research what they are against.
Can you be a lefty and participate in organized religion? I think that’s an obvious yes. Can you participate in organized religion and be scary? Look at our fair president.
By taking “organized religion” and grouping it that way, mistakes are made and generalizations occur that simply should NOT BE.
And the problem is on both sides you see. For instance, on my campus a girl drives a little Honda that carries the bumper sticker “You can’t be Pro-Choice and a Christian.” Wanna bet biotch?? Sometimes I want to leave her little bumper stickers I’ve made myself. Sometimes I want to find out who she is an call her up, talk to her… She obviously doesn’t see both sides of the issue.
There is this huge call for tolerance–tolerance of all things but religion, it seems. And this is not to say I’m for all organized religion. I am anti-mormon, which I feel almost bad about, I would not support the Catholic church, nor would I support most Baptist or Nazarene or Methodist churches.
But you can’t paint us all with the same puke-green color. Because that would be unfair. That would show a lack of tolerance.
And you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?
December 31st, 2004 at 5:47 pm
I see myself as a moderate, but at my Christian school I am seen as a lefty.
Organized religion isn’t wrong or right–it’s incredibly shortsighted of most to even make assumptions on this. obviously, some organized religions have gone completely overboard, and you can see this. duh. read “under the banner of heaven” by jon krakauer. it’s about the beginnings of mormonism, and the appearance of fundamentalist mormonism. reading this, we can understand why some ‘foreign religious fanatics’ may do what they do.
My father is a minister at a church that is associated with the Baptist General Conference, and I KNOW that just sent shivers down many people’s spines. The fact is, you know NOTHING about it. That’s the problem. People hear “Baptist” and all these images soar through their minds–Bible-thumping, snake-handling, revival-shouting jeeee-ssss-uuuuuus (up to four syllables here folks) woooooorshippppers. They don’t know what they’re fighting, but they think it’s all wrong.
Southern Baptist. Don’t get me started. There are so many denominations who do ‘crazy’ things, even to me. But then you have denominations like ours, where there isn’t a hierarchy, there isn’t a rule that you need to stay in the denomination. If the denomination goes in a way the church doesn’t agree with, they can simply stop being a part of that denomination. The church isn’t bound to a book of rules, like many religions and denominations. And this is not to say my father and I agree on everything–in fact, most of the time we have to agree to disagree. The other night, over something quite small and seemingly unimportant, he called me a ‘product of my generation’ to which I (sarcastically, bitchy, “i’m in college i know everything”ly) replied “gosh Dad I love it when you talk about me and my generation.”
Do we agree on everything? NO. Does ever member in our church agree on everything? No. But you see, we don’t have to.
But of course, most people don’t know this, because they simply don’t care, or don’t research what they are against.
Can you be a lefty and participate in organized religion? I think that’s an obvious yes. Can you participate in organized religion and be scary? Look at our fair president.
By taking “organized religion” and grouping it that way, mistakes are made and generalizations occur that simply should NOT BE.
And the problem is on both sides you see. For instance, on my campus a girl drives a little Honda that carries the bumper sticker “You can’t be Pro-Choice and a Christian.” Wanna bet biotch?? Sometimes I want to leave her little bumper stickers I’ve made myself. Sometimes I want to find out who she is an call her up, talk to her… She obviously doesn’t see both sides of the issue.
There is this huge call for tolerance–tolerance of all things but religion, it seems. And this is not to say I’m for all organized religion. I am anti-mormon, which I feel almost bad about, I would not support the Catholic church, nor would I support most Baptist or Nazarene or Methodist churches.
But you can’t paint us all with the same puke-green color. Because that would be unfair. That would show a lack of tolerance.
And you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?
December 31st, 2004 at 5:47 pm
I see myself as a moderate, but at my Christian school I am seen as a lefty.
Organized religion isn’t wrong or right–it’s incredibly shortsighted of most to even make assumptions on this. obviously, some organized religions have gone completely overboard, and you can see this. duh. read “under the banner of heaven” by jon krakauer. it’s about the beginnings of mormonism, and the appearance of fundamentalist mormonism. reading this, we can understand why some ‘foreign religious fanatics’ may do what they do.
My father is a minister at a church that is associated with the Baptist General Conference, and I KNOW that just sent shivers down many people’s spines. The fact is, you know NOTHING about it. That’s the problem. People hear “Baptist” and all these images soar through their minds–Bible-thumping, snake-handling, revival-shouting jeeee-ssss-uuuuuus (up to four syllables here folks) woooooorshippppers. They don’t know what they’re fighting, but they think it’s all wrong.
Southern Baptist. Don’t get me started. There are so many denominations who do ‘crazy’ things, even to me. But then you have denominations like ours, where there isn’t a hierarchy, there isn’t a rule that you need to stay in the denomination. If the denomination goes in a way the church doesn’t agree with, they can simply stop being a part of that denomination. The church isn’t bound to a book of rules, like many religions and denominations. And this is not to say my father and I agree on everything–in fact, most of the time we have to agree to disagree. The other night, over something quite small and seemingly unimportant, he called me a ‘product of my generation’ to which I (sarcastically, bitchy, “i’m in college i know everything”ly) replied “gosh Dad I love it when you talk about me and my generation.”
Do we agree on everything? NO. Does ever member in our church agree on everything? No. But you see, we don’t have to.
But of course, most people don’t know this, because they simply don’t care, or don’t research what they are against.
Can you be a lefty and participate in organized religion? I think that’s an obvious yes. Can you participate in organized religion and be scary? Look at our fair president.
By taking “organized religion” and grouping it that way, mistakes are made and generalizations occur that simply should NOT BE.
And the problem is on both sides you see. For instance, on my campus a girl drives a little Honda that carries the bumper sticker “You can’t be Pro-Choice and a Christian.” Wanna bet biotch?? Sometimes I want to leave her little bumper stickers I’ve made myself. Sometimes I want to find out who she is an call her up, talk to her… She obviously doesn’t see both sides of the issue.
There is this huge call for tolerance–tolerance of all things but religion, it seems. And this is not to say I’m for all organized religion. I am anti-mormon, which I feel almost bad about, I would not support the Catholic church, nor would I support most Baptist or Nazarene or Methodist churches.
But you can’t paint us all with the same puke-green color. Because that would be unfair. That would show a lack of tolerance.
And you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?
December 31st, 2004 at 4:44 pm
CONventional wisdom
I believe it is a well-placed, well-received bit of spin on the part of the “moral” right.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:44 pm
CONventional wisdom
I believe it is a well-placed, well-received bit of spin on the part of the “moral” right.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:44 pm
CONventional wisdom
I believe it is a well-placed, well-received bit of spin on the part of the “moral” right.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:44 pm
CONventional wisdom
I believe it is a well-placed, well-received bit of spin on the part of the “moral” right.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:44 pm
CONventional wisdom
I believe it is a well-placed, well-received bit of spin on the part of the “moral” right.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:44 pm
CONventional wisdom
I believe it is a well-placed, well-received bit of spin on the part of the “moral” right.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:44 pm
CONventional wisdom
I believe it is a well-placed, well-received bit of spin on the part of the “moral” right.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:44 pm
CONventional wisdom
I believe it is a well-placed, well-received bit of spin on the part of the “moral” right.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:37 pm
Left, Right…Two wrongs.
I think a good portion of the [vocal] left has fallen into the trap of polarization and reflexively taken an anti-Christian tone to its rhetoric as a result. Robert Smigel had a hilarious take on it on Saturday Night live a couple of weeks ago, nailing the Left for their shortsightedness.
Personally, I’m anti-organized religion of any kind, as I think it does more harm than good. In most forms, it’s simply a control mechanism, feeding off of people’s innate spirituality, and their need to believe in something. Here in the US, with Christianity being the predominant religion, complete with its explicit blessing of wars, etc, makes a natural target of disdain for anyone that’s experienced its dark side, ie: minorities, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, native Americans, etc…
December 31st, 2004 at 4:37 pm
Left, Right…Two wrongs.
I think a good portion of the [vocal] left has fallen into the trap of polarization and reflexively taken an anti-Christian tone to its rhetoric as a result. Robert Smigel had a hilarious take on it on Saturday Night live a couple of weeks ago, nailing the Left for their shortsightedness.
Personally, I’m anti-organized religion of any kind, as I think it does more harm than good. In most forms, it’s simply a control mechanism, feeding off of people’s innate spirituality, and their need to believe in something. Here in the US, with Christianity being the predominant religion, complete with its explicit blessing of wars, etc, makes a natural target of disdain for anyone that’s experienced its dark side, ie: minorities, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, native Americans, etc…
December 31st, 2004 at 4:37 pm
Left, Right…Two wrongs.
I think a good portion of the [vocal] left has fallen into the trap of polarization and reflexively taken an anti-Christian tone to its rhetoric as a result. Robert Smigel had a hilarious take on it on Saturday Night live a couple of weeks ago, nailing the Left for their shortsightedness.
Personally, I’m anti-organized religion of any kind, as I think it does more harm than good. In most forms, it’s simply a control mechanism, feeding off of people’s innate spirituality, and their need to believe in something. Here in the US, with Christianity being the predominant religion, complete with its explicit blessing of wars, etc, makes a natural target of disdain for anyone that’s experienced its dark side, ie: minorities, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, native Americans, etc…
December 31st, 2004 at 4:37 pm
Left, Right…Two wrongs.
I think a good portion of the [vocal] left has fallen into the trap of polarization and reflexively taken an anti-Christian tone to its rhetoric as a result. Robert Smigel had a hilarious take on it on Saturday Night live a couple of weeks ago, nailing the Left for their shortsightedness.
Personally, I’m anti-organized religion of any kind, as I think it does more harm than good. In most forms, it’s simply a control mechanism, feeding off of people’s innate spirituality, and their need to believe in something. Here in the US, with Christianity being the predominant religion, complete with its explicit blessing of wars, etc, makes a natural target of disdain for anyone that’s experienced its dark side, ie: minorities, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, native Americans, etc…
December 31st, 2004 at 4:37 pm
Left, Right…Two wrongs.
I think a good portion of the [vocal] left has fallen into the trap of polarization and reflexively taken an anti-Christian tone to its rhetoric as a result. Robert Smigel had a hilarious take on it on Saturday Night live a couple of weeks ago, nailing the Left for their shortsightedness.
Personally, I’m anti-organized religion of any kind, as I think it does more harm than good. In most forms, it’s simply a control mechanism, feeding off of people’s innate spirituality, and their need to believe in something. Here in the US, with Christianity being the predominant religion, complete with its explicit blessing of wars, etc, makes a natural target of disdain for anyone that’s experienced its dark side, ie: minorities, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, native Americans, etc…
December 31st, 2004 at 4:37 pm
Left, Right…Two wrongs.
I think a good portion of the [vocal] left has fallen into the trap of polarization and reflexively taken an anti-Christian tone to its rhetoric as a result. Robert Smigel had a hilarious take on it on Saturday Night live a couple of weeks ago, nailing the Left for their shortsightedness.
Personally, I’m anti-organized religion of any kind, as I think it does more harm than good. In most forms, it’s simply a control mechanism, feeding off of people’s innate spirituality, and their need to believe in something. Here in the US, with Christianity being the predominant religion, complete with its explicit blessing of wars, etc, makes a natural target of disdain for anyone that’s experienced its dark side, ie: minorities, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, native Americans, etc…
December 31st, 2004 at 4:37 pm
Left, Right…Two wrongs.
I think a good portion of the [vocal] left has fallen into the trap of polarization and reflexively taken an anti-Christian tone to its rhetoric as a result. Robert Smigel had a hilarious take on it on Saturday Night live a couple of weeks ago, nailing the Left for their shortsightedness.
Personally, I’m anti-organized religion of any kind, as I think it does more harm than good. In most forms, it’s simply a control mechanism, feeding off of people’s innate spirituality, and their need to believe in something. Here in the US, with Christianity being the predominant religion, complete with its explicit blessing of wars, etc, makes a natural target of disdain for anyone that’s experienced its dark side, ie: minorities, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, native Americans, etc…
December 31st, 2004 at 4:37 pm
Left, Right…Two wrongs.
I think a good portion of the [vocal] left has fallen into the trap of polarization and reflexively taken an anti-Christian tone to its rhetoric as a result. Robert Smigel had a hilarious take on it on Saturday Night live a couple of weeks ago, nailing the Left for their shortsightedness.
Personally, I’m anti-organized religion of any kind, as I think it does more harm than good. In most forms, it’s simply a control mechanism, feeding off of people’s innate spirituality, and their need to believe in something. Here in the US, with Christianity being the predominant religion, complete with its explicit blessing of wars, etc, makes a natural target of disdain for anyone that’s experienced its dark side, ie: minorities, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, native Americans, etc…
December 31st, 2004 at 4:29 pm
Yay! I love it when someone recognizes that term. Shoulda known you would.
And that was supposed to be “has” up there, not “as.” Don’t know why I got all Cockney for a moment.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:29 pm
Yay! I love it when someone recognizes that term. Shoulda known you would.
And that was supposed to be “has” up there, not “as.” Don’t know why I got all Cockney for a moment.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:29 pm
Yay! I love it when someone recognizes that term. Shoulda known you would.
And that was supposed to be “has” up there, not “as.” Don’t know why I got all Cockney for a moment.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:29 pm
Yay! I love it when someone recognizes that term. Shoulda known you would.
And that was supposed to be “has” up there, not “as.” Don’t know why I got all Cockney for a moment.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:29 pm
Yay! I love it when someone recognizes that term. Shoulda known you would.
And that was supposed to be “has” up there, not “as.” Don’t know why I got all Cockney for a moment.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:29 pm
Yay! I love it when someone recognizes that term. Shoulda known you would.
And that was supposed to be “has” up there, not “as.” Don’t know why I got all Cockney for a moment.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:29 pm
Yay! I love it when someone recognizes that term. Shoulda known you would.
And that was supposed to be “has” up there, not “as.” Don’t know why I got all Cockney for a moment.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:29 pm
Yay! I love it when someone recognizes that term. Shoulda known you would.
And that was supposed to be “has” up there, not “as.” Don’t know why I got all Cockney for a moment.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:26 pm
hoopy frood
geek
no, beautiful geek.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:26 pm
hoopy frood
geek
no, beautiful geek.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:26 pm
hoopy frood
geek
no, beautiful geek.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:26 pm
hoopy frood
geek
no, beautiful geek.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:26 pm
hoopy frood
geek
no, beautiful geek.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:26 pm
hoopy frood
geek
no, beautiful geek.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:26 pm
hoopy frood
geek
no, beautiful geek.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:26 pm
hoopy frood
geek
no, beautiful geek.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:25 pm
The media has certainly contributed quite a bit to this divide, both by portraying the religious right as scary fanatics and the liberal left as being completely godless.
Truth is, neither picture is right, but that makes for a much less interesting news story.
I don’t think the left, as a whole, hates religion. I think they do hate intolerance excused by religion, which strongly violates a politically liberal belief system.
My own personal belief system finds religion beautiful but terrifying…. certainly not for me…. but I can appreciate the value system that it CAN impose. Sadly, too often that value system is used as an excuse to physically, mentally and emotionally harm people. Does that make me anti-Christian? Maybe, if your definition of Christianity includes aggressive proselytizing and changing your government to impose elements of your belief system on the whole population. And it’s that piece of Anti-Christianity that the networks will pick up for the evening news.
I think the leftys need to take a different approach: not try to prove themselves Anti-Christian, but instead, speak up for themselves and say, “Fuck you, Religious Right, I have morals too. I believe in the freedom of speech and civil rights for ALL my friends and that people shouldn’t suffer. Maybe I do go to church and maybe I don’t but I have a belief system that is valuable and I am not ashamed of it.” The liberals I know vote with their hearts and their belief systems. The Republicans that I know (granted, not a good cross-section, lacking any strongly religious types) vote based on money and taxes.
I’ve been trying to think of ways to get this message out…. still thinking about it.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:25 pm
The media has certainly contributed quite a bit to this divide, both by portraying the religious right as scary fanatics and the liberal left as being completely godless.
Truth is, neither picture is right, but that makes for a much less interesting news story.
I don’t think the left, as a whole, hates religion. I think they do hate intolerance excused by religion, which strongly violates a politically liberal belief system.
My own personal belief system finds religion beautiful but terrifying…. certainly not for me…. but I can appreciate the value system that it CAN impose. Sadly, too often that value system is used as an excuse to physically, mentally and emotionally harm people. Does that make me anti-Christian? Maybe, if your definition of Christianity includes aggressive proselytizing and changing your government to impose elements of your belief system on the whole population. And it’s that piece of Anti-Christianity that the networks will pick up for the evening news.
I think the leftys need to take a different approach: not try to prove themselves Anti-Christian, but instead, speak up for themselves and say, “Fuck you, Religious Right, I have morals too. I believe in the freedom of speech and civil rights for ALL my friends and that people shouldn’t suffer. Maybe I do go to church and maybe I don’t but I have a belief system that is valuable and I am not ashamed of it.” The liberals I know vote with their hearts and their belief systems. The Republicans that I know (granted, not a good cross-section, lacking any strongly religious types) vote based on money and taxes.
I’ve been trying to think of ways to get this message out…. still thinking about it.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:25 pm
The media has certainly contributed quite a bit to this divide, both by portraying the religious right as scary fanatics and the liberal left as being completely godless.
Truth is, neither picture is right, but that makes for a much less interesting news story.
I don’t think the left, as a whole, hates religion. I think they do hate intolerance excused by religion, which strongly violates a politically liberal belief system.
My own personal belief system finds religion beautiful but terrifying…. certainly not for me…. but I can appreciate the value system that it CAN impose. Sadly, too often that value system is used as an excuse to physically, mentally and emotionally harm people. Does that make me anti-Christian? Maybe, if your definition of Christianity includes aggressive proselytizing and changing your government to impose elements of your belief system on the whole population. And it’s that piece of Anti-Christianity that the networks will pick up for the evening news.
I think the leftys need to take a different approach: not try to prove themselves Anti-Christian, but instead, speak up for themselves and say, “Fuck you, Religious Right, I have morals too. I believe in the freedom of speech and civil rights for ALL my friends and that people shouldn’t suffer. Maybe I do go to church and maybe I don’t but I have a belief system that is valuable and I am not ashamed of it.” The liberals I know vote with their hearts and their belief systems. The Republicans that I know (granted, not a good cross-section, lacking any strongly religious types) vote based on money and taxes.
I’ve been trying to think of ways to get this message out…. still thinking about it.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:25 pm
The media has certainly contributed quite a bit to this divide, both by portraying the religious right as scary fanatics and the liberal left as being completely godless.
Truth is, neither picture is right, but that makes for a much less interesting news story.
I don’t think the left, as a whole, hates religion. I think they do hate intolerance excused by religion, which strongly violates a politically liberal belief system.
My own personal belief system finds religion beautiful but terrifying…. certainly not for me…. but I can appreciate the value system that it CAN impose. Sadly, too often that value system is used as an excuse to physically, mentally and emotionally harm people. Does that make me anti-Christian? Maybe, if your definition of Christianity includes aggressive proselytizing and changing your government to impose elements of your belief system on the whole population. And it’s that piece of Anti-Christianity that the networks will pick up for the evening news.
I think the leftys need to take a different approach: not try to prove themselves Anti-Christian, but instead, speak up for themselves and say, “Fuck you, Religious Right, I have morals too. I believe in the freedom of speech and civil rights for ALL my friends and that people shouldn’t suffer. Maybe I do go to church and maybe I don’t but I have a belief system that is valuable and I am not ashamed of it.” The liberals I know vote with their hearts and their belief systems. The Republicans that I know (granted, not a good cross-section, lacking any strongly religious types) vote based on money and taxes.
I’ve been trying to think of ways to get this message out…. still thinking about it.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:25 pm
The media has certainly contributed quite a bit to this divide, both by portraying the religious right as scary fanatics and the liberal left as being completely godless.
Truth is, neither picture is right, but that makes for a much less interesting news story.
I don’t think the left, as a whole, hates religion. I think they do hate intolerance excused by religion, which strongly violates a politically liberal belief system.
My own personal belief system finds religion beautiful but terrifying…. certainly not for me…. but I can appreciate the value system that it CAN impose. Sadly, too often that value system is used as an excuse to physically, mentally and emotionally harm people. Does that make me anti-Christian? Maybe, if your definition of Christianity includes aggressive proselytizing and changing your government to impose elements of your belief system on the whole population. And it’s that piece of Anti-Christianity that the networks will pick up for the evening news.
I think the leftys need to take a different approach: not try to prove themselves Anti-Christian, but instead, speak up for themselves and say, “Fuck you, Religious Right, I have morals too. I believe in the freedom of speech and civil rights for ALL my friends and that people shouldn’t suffer. Maybe I do go to church and maybe I don’t but I have a belief system that is valuable and I am not ashamed of it.” The liberals I know vote with their hearts and their belief systems. The Republicans that I know (granted, not a good cross-section, lacking any strongly religious types) vote based on money and taxes.
I’ve been trying to think of ways to get this message out…. still thinking about it.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:25 pm
The media has certainly contributed quite a bit to this divide, both by portraying the religious right as scary fanatics and the liberal left as being completely godless.
Truth is, neither picture is right, but that makes for a much less interesting news story.
I don’t think the left, as a whole, hates religion. I think they do hate intolerance excused by religion, which strongly violates a politically liberal belief system.
My own personal belief system finds religion beautiful but terrifying…. certainly not for me…. but I can appreciate the value system that it CAN impose. Sadly, too often that value system is used as an excuse to physically, mentally and emotionally harm people. Does that make me anti-Christian? Maybe, if your definition of Christianity includes aggressive proselytizing and changing your government to impose elements of your belief system on the whole population. And it’s that piece of Anti-Christianity that the networks will pick up for the evening news.
I think the leftys need to take a different approach: not try to prove themselves Anti-Christian, but instead, speak up for themselves and say, “Fuck you, Religious Right, I have morals too. I believe in the freedom of speech and civil rights for ALL my friends and that people shouldn’t suffer. Maybe I do go to church and maybe I don’t but I have a belief system that is valuable and I am not ashamed of it.” The liberals I know vote with their hearts and their belief systems. The Republicans that I know (granted, not a good cross-section, lacking any strongly religious types) vote based on money and taxes.
I’ve been trying to think of ways to get this message out…. still thinking about it.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:25 pm
The media has certainly contributed quite a bit to this divide, both by portraying the religious right as scary fanatics and the liberal left as being completely godless.
Truth is, neither picture is right, but that makes for a much less interesting news story.
I don’t think the left, as a whole, hates religion. I think they do hate intolerance excused by religion, which strongly violates a politically liberal belief system.
My own personal belief system finds religion beautiful but terrifying…. certainly not for me…. but I can appreciate the value system that it CAN impose. Sadly, too often that value system is used as an excuse to physically, mentally and emotionally harm people. Does that make me anti-Christian? Maybe, if your definition of Christianity includes aggressive proselytizing and changing your government to impose elements of your belief system on the whole population. And it’s that piece of Anti-Christianity that the networks will pick up for the evening news.
I think the leftys need to take a different approach: not try to prove themselves Anti-Christian, but instead, speak up for themselves and say, “Fuck you, Religious Right, I have morals too. I believe in the freedom of speech and civil rights for ALL my friends and that people shouldn’t suffer. Maybe I do go to church and maybe I don’t but I have a belief system that is valuable and I am not ashamed of it.” The liberals I know vote with their hearts and their belief systems. The Republicans that I know (granted, not a good cross-section, lacking any strongly religious types) vote based on money and taxes.
I’ve been trying to think of ways to get this message out…. still thinking about it.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:25 pm
The media has certainly contributed quite a bit to this divide, both by portraying the religious right as scary fanatics and the liberal left as being completely godless.
Truth is, neither picture is right, but that makes for a much less interesting news story.
I don’t think the left, as a whole, hates religion. I think they do hate intolerance excused by religion, which strongly violates a politically liberal belief system.
My own personal belief system finds religion beautiful but terrifying…. certainly not for me…. but I can appreciate the value system that it CAN impose. Sadly, too often that value system is used as an excuse to physically, mentally and emotionally harm people. Does that make me anti-Christian? Maybe, if your definition of Christianity includes aggressive proselytizing and changing your government to impose elements of your belief system on the whole population. And it’s that piece of Anti-Christianity that the networks will pick up for the evening news.
I think the leftys need to take a different approach: not try to prove themselves Anti-Christian, but instead, speak up for themselves and say, “Fuck you, Religious Right, I have morals too. I believe in the freedom of speech and civil rights for ALL my friends and that people shouldn’t suffer. Maybe I do go to church and maybe I don’t but I have a belief system that is valuable and I am not ashamed of it.” The liberals I know vote with their hearts and their belief systems. The Republicans that I know (granted, not a good cross-section, lacking any strongly religious types) vote based on money and taxes.
I’ve been trying to think of ways to get this message out…. still thinking about it.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don’t believe so. I know a few really splendid lefties who attend church regularly (mostly Unitarian) but of course I don’t know THAT many. I do know plenty of lefties who ARE anti-organized religion (as well they should be) but very spiritual.
That being said I really think what people are against most are the “Not Very Christian” Christians. Those people against gay marriage and for wars. I think most of us see the hypocrisy quite clearly and that is what disgusts us.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I am anti any kind of organized religion. no matter what kind of good intentions they have when they start it always grows into something disgusting and mind boggling. I am, though, an incredibly spiritual person. I just don’t see the need to show how religious I am every Sunday or Saturday. I live my spirituality daily, or at least try to.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
It matters only to us in the respect that they are hurting humanity as a whole. I’m not sure what the answer is. I mean do we infiltrate the churches with crazy lefty liberals and hope that our good intentions and beliefs seep in…
or do we break off, not unlike the early Christians, and practice spirituality our way and hope we bring those crazy war mongering Christians back to the fold?
Just thinking out loud here. Hope I helped.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don’t believe so. I know a few really splendid lefties who attend church regularly (mostly Unitarian) but of course I don’t know THAT many. I do know plenty of lefties who ARE anti-organized religion (as well they should be) but very spiritual.
That being said I really think what people are against most are the “Not Very Christian” Christians. Those people against gay marriage and for wars. I think most of us see the hypocrisy quite clearly and that is what disgusts us.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I am anti any kind of organized religion. no matter what kind of good intentions they have when they start it always grows into something disgusting and mind boggling. I am, though, an incredibly spiritual person. I just don’t see the need to show how religious I am every Sunday or Saturday. I live my spirituality daily, or at least try to.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
It matters only to us in the respect that they are hurting humanity as a whole. I’m not sure what the answer is. I mean do we infiltrate the churches with crazy lefty liberals and hope that our good intentions and beliefs seep in…
or do we break off, not unlike the early Christians, and practice spirituality our way and hope we bring those crazy war mongering Christians back to the fold?
Just thinking out loud here. Hope I helped.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don’t believe so. I know a few really splendid lefties who attend church regularly (mostly Unitarian) but of course I don’t know THAT many. I do know plenty of lefties who ARE anti-organized religion (as well they should be) but very spiritual.
That being said I really think what people are against most are the “Not Very Christian” Christians. Those people against gay marriage and for wars. I think most of us see the hypocrisy quite clearly and that is what disgusts us.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I am anti any kind of organized religion. no matter what kind of good intentions they have when they start it always grows into something disgusting and mind boggling. I am, though, an incredibly spiritual person. I just don’t see the need to show how religious I am every Sunday or Saturday. I live my spirituality daily, or at least try to.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
It matters only to us in the respect that they are hurting humanity as a whole. I’m not sure what the answer is. I mean do we infiltrate the churches with crazy lefty liberals and hope that our good intentions and beliefs seep in…
or do we break off, not unlike the early Christians, and practice spirituality our way and hope we bring those crazy war mongering Christians back to the fold?
Just thinking out loud here. Hope I helped.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don’t believe so. I know a few really splendid lefties who attend church regularly (mostly Unitarian) but of course I don’t know THAT many. I do know plenty of lefties who ARE anti-organized religion (as well they should be) but very spiritual.
That being said I really think what people are against most are the “Not Very Christian” Christians. Those people against gay marriage and for wars. I think most of us see the hypocrisy quite clearly and that is what disgusts us.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I am anti any kind of organized religion. no matter what kind of good intentions they have when they start it always grows into something disgusting and mind boggling. I am, though, an incredibly spiritual person. I just don’t see the need to show how religious I am every Sunday or Saturday. I live my spirituality daily, or at least try to.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
It matters only to us in the respect that they are hurting humanity as a whole. I’m not sure what the answer is. I mean do we infiltrate the churches with crazy lefty liberals and hope that our good intentions and beliefs seep in…
or do we break off, not unlike the early Christians, and practice spirituality our way and hope we bring those crazy war mongering Christians back to the fold?
Just thinking out loud here. Hope I helped.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don’t believe so. I know a few really splendid lefties who attend church regularly (mostly Unitarian) but of course I don’t know THAT many. I do know plenty of lefties who ARE anti-organized religion (as well they should be) but very spiritual.
That being said I really think what people are against most are the “Not Very Christian” Christians. Those people against gay marriage and for wars. I think most of us see the hypocrisy quite clearly and that is what disgusts us.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I am anti any kind of organized religion. no matter what kind of good intentions they have when they start it always grows into something disgusting and mind boggling. I am, though, an incredibly spiritual person. I just don’t see the need to show how religious I am every Sunday or Saturday. I live my spirituality daily, or at least try to.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
It matters only to us in the respect that they are hurting humanity as a whole. I’m not sure what the answer is. I mean do we infiltrate the churches with crazy lefty liberals and hope that our good intentions and beliefs seep in…
or do we break off, not unlike the early Christians, and practice spirituality our way and hope we bring those crazy war mongering Christians back to the fold?
Just thinking out loud here. Hope I helped.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don’t believe so. I know a few really splendid lefties who attend church regularly (mostly Unitarian) but of course I don’t know THAT many. I do know plenty of lefties who ARE anti-organized religion (as well they should be) but very spiritual.
That being said I really think what people are against most are the “Not Very Christian” Christians. Those people against gay marriage and for wars. I think most of us see the hypocrisy quite clearly and that is what disgusts us.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I am anti any kind of organized religion. no matter what kind of good intentions they have when they start it always grows into something disgusting and mind boggling. I am, though, an incredibly spiritual person. I just don’t see the need to show how religious I am every Sunday or Saturday. I live my spirituality daily, or at least try to.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
It matters only to us in the respect that they are hurting humanity as a whole. I’m not sure what the answer is. I mean do we infiltrate the churches with crazy lefty liberals and hope that our good intentions and beliefs seep in…
or do we break off, not unlike the early Christians, and practice spirituality our way and hope we bring those crazy war mongering Christians back to the fold?
Just thinking out loud here. Hope I helped.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don’t believe so. I know a few really splendid lefties who attend church regularly (mostly Unitarian) but of course I don’t know THAT many. I do know plenty of lefties who ARE anti-organized religion (as well they should be) but very spiritual.
That being said I really think what people are against most are the “Not Very Christian” Christians. Those people against gay marriage and for wars. I think most of us see the hypocrisy quite clearly and that is what disgusts us.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I am anti any kind of organized religion. no matter what kind of good intentions they have when they start it always grows into something disgusting and mind boggling. I am, though, an incredibly spiritual person. I just don’t see the need to show how religious I am every Sunday or Saturday. I live my spirituality daily, or at least try to.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
It matters only to us in the respect that they are hurting humanity as a whole. I’m not sure what the answer is. I mean do we infiltrate the churches with crazy lefty liberals and hope that our good intentions and beliefs seep in…
or do we break off, not unlike the early Christians, and practice spirituality our way and hope we bring those crazy war mongering Christians back to the fold?
Just thinking out loud here. Hope I helped.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don’t believe so. I know a few really splendid lefties who attend church regularly (mostly Unitarian) but of course I don’t know THAT many. I do know plenty of lefties who ARE anti-organized religion (as well they should be) but very spiritual.
That being said I really think what people are against most are the “Not Very Christian” Christians. Those people against gay marriage and for wars. I think most of us see the hypocrisy quite clearly and that is what disgusts us.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
I am anti any kind of organized religion. no matter what kind of good intentions they have when they start it always grows into something disgusting and mind boggling. I am, though, an incredibly spiritual person. I just don’t see the need to show how religious I am every Sunday or Saturday. I live my spirituality daily, or at least try to.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
It matters only to us in the respect that they are hurting humanity as a whole. I’m not sure what the answer is. I mean do we infiltrate the churches with crazy lefty liberals and hope that our good intentions and beliefs seep in…
or do we break off, not unlike the early Christians, and practice spirituality our way and hope we bring those crazy war mongering Christians back to the fold?
Just thinking out loud here. Hope I helped.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
1. I’m really not sure about the American Left as a whole. I try to steer clear of sweeping generalizations, so my gut instinct is to say no, not anti-Christian. If anything, anti-right wing extremist nutjobs.
2. I am not. I think Christ was a hoopy frood, and I still harbor the (perhaps overly idealistic) belief that there are those of the Christian belief system who live by what he taught, not by what the church as decided is okay to declare in his name.
3. I’m not sure on this one. Let me reserve the right to answer until I’ve given it some thought.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
1. I’m really not sure about the American Left as a whole. I try to steer clear of sweeping generalizations, so my gut instinct is to say no, not anti-Christian. If anything, anti-right wing extremist nutjobs.
2. I am not. I think Christ was a hoopy frood, and I still harbor the (perhaps overly idealistic) belief that there are those of the Christian belief system who live by what he taught, not by what the church as decided is okay to declare in his name.
3. I’m not sure on this one. Let me reserve the right to answer until I’ve given it some thought.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
1. I’m really not sure about the American Left as a whole. I try to steer clear of sweeping generalizations, so my gut instinct is to say no, not anti-Christian. If anything, anti-right wing extremist nutjobs.
2. I am not. I think Christ was a hoopy frood, and I still harbor the (perhaps overly idealistic) belief that there are those of the Christian belief system who live by what he taught, not by what the church as decided is okay to declare in his name.
3. I’m not sure on this one. Let me reserve the right to answer until I’ve given it some thought.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
1. I’m really not sure about the American Left as a whole. I try to steer clear of sweeping generalizations, so my gut instinct is to say no, not anti-Christian. If anything, anti-right wing extremist nutjobs.
2. I am not. I think Christ was a hoopy frood, and I still harbor the (perhaps overly idealistic) belief that there are those of the Christian belief system who live by what he taught, not by what the church as decided is okay to declare in his name.
3. I’m not sure on this one. Let me reserve the right to answer until I’ve given it some thought.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
1. I’m really not sure about the American Left as a whole. I try to steer clear of sweeping generalizations, so my gut instinct is to say no, not anti-Christian. If anything, anti-right wing extremist nutjobs.
2. I am not. I think Christ was a hoopy frood, and I still harbor the (perhaps overly idealistic) belief that there are those of the Christian belief system who live by what he taught, not by what the church as decided is okay to declare in his name.
3. I’m not sure on this one. Let me reserve the right to answer until I’ve given it some thought.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
1. I’m really not sure about the American Left as a whole. I try to steer clear of sweeping generalizations, so my gut instinct is to say no, not anti-Christian. If anything, anti-right wing extremist nutjobs.
2. I am not. I think Christ was a hoopy frood, and I still harbor the (perhaps overly idealistic) belief that there are those of the Christian belief system who live by what he taught, not by what the church as decided is okay to declare in his name.
3. I’m not sure on this one. Let me reserve the right to answer until I’ve given it some thought.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
1. I’m really not sure about the American Left as a whole. I try to steer clear of sweeping generalizations, so my gut instinct is to say no, not anti-Christian. If anything, anti-right wing extremist nutjobs.
2. I am not. I think Christ was a hoopy frood, and I still harbor the (perhaps overly idealistic) belief that there are those of the Christian belief system who live by what he taught, not by what the church as decided is okay to declare in his name.
3. I’m not sure on this one. Let me reserve the right to answer until I’ve given it some thought.
December 31st, 2004 at 4:17 pm
1. I’m really not sure about the American Left as a whole. I try to steer clear of sweeping generalizations, so my gut instinct is to say no, not anti-Christian. If anything, anti-right wing extremist nutjobs.
2. I am not. I think Christ was a hoopy frood, and I still harbor the (perhaps overly idealistic) belief that there are those of the Christian belief system who live by what he taught, not by what the church as decided is okay to declare in his name.
3. I’m not sure on this one. Let me reserve the right to answer until I’ve given it some thought.
December 31st, 2004 at 3:59 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don;t think so. Because I know many Christians who are Lefties. And just because someone believes in tolerance doesn’t make them none Chistian.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
No. I am not anti any religion, just anti missionary and hateful people who would make laws to spread hate… such as the anti gay marrage act.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
We must make sure we are NOT as hateful as the people we hate. IF we are anti Christian, than why would any christian want to look at our view point. But if we are open to all, than it is easier to communicate.
Or is this just too hippy-dippy?
December 31st, 2004 at 3:59 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don;t think so. Because I know many Christians who are Lefties. And just because someone believes in tolerance doesn’t make them none Chistian.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
No. I am not anti any religion, just anti missionary and hateful people who would make laws to spread hate… such as the anti gay marrage act.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
We must make sure we are NOT as hateful as the people we hate. IF we are anti Christian, than why would any christian want to look at our view point. But if we are open to all, than it is easier to communicate.
Or is this just too hippy-dippy?
December 31st, 2004 at 3:59 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don;t think so. Because I know many Christians who are Lefties. And just because someone believes in tolerance doesn’t make them none Chistian.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
No. I am not anti any religion, just anti missionary and hateful people who would make laws to spread hate… such as the anti gay marrage act.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
We must make sure we are NOT as hateful as the people we hate. IF we are anti Christian, than why would any christian want to look at our view point. But if we are open to all, than it is easier to communicate.
Or is this just too hippy-dippy?
December 31st, 2004 at 3:59 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don;t think so. Because I know many Christians who are Lefties. And just because someone believes in tolerance doesn’t make them none Chistian.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
No. I am not anti any religion, just anti missionary and hateful people who would make laws to spread hate… such as the anti gay marrage act.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
We must make sure we are NOT as hateful as the people we hate. IF we are anti Christian, than why would any christian want to look at our view point. But if we are open to all, than it is easier to communicate.
Or is this just too hippy-dippy?
December 31st, 2004 at 3:59 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don;t think so. Because I know many Christians who are Lefties. And just because someone believes in tolerance doesn’t make them none Chistian.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
No. I am not anti any religion, just anti missionary and hateful people who would make laws to spread hate… such as the anti gay marrage act.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
We must make sure we are NOT as hateful as the people we hate. IF we are anti Christian, than why would any christian want to look at our view point. But if we are open to all, than it is easier to communicate.
Or is this just too hippy-dippy?
December 31st, 2004 at 3:59 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don;t think so. Because I know many Christians who are Lefties. And just because someone believes in tolerance doesn’t make them none Chistian.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
No. I am not anti any religion, just anti missionary and hateful people who would make laws to spread hate… such as the anti gay marrage act.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
We must make sure we are NOT as hateful as the people we hate. IF we are anti Christian, than why would any christian want to look at our view point. But if we are open to all, than it is easier to communicate.
Or is this just too hippy-dippy?
December 31st, 2004 at 3:59 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don;t think so. Because I know many Christians who are Lefties. And just because someone believes in tolerance doesn’t make them none Chistian.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
No. I am not anti any religion, just anti missionary and hateful people who would make laws to spread hate… such as the anti gay marrage act.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
We must make sure we are NOT as hateful as the people we hate. IF we are anti Christian, than why would any christian want to look at our view point. But if we are open to all, than it is easier to communicate.
Or is this just too hippy-dippy?
December 31st, 2004 at 3:59 pm
Is the American Left explicitly anti-Christian? Why?
I don;t think so. Because I know many Christians who are Lefties. And just because someone believes in tolerance doesn’t make them none Chistian.
Are you? How do YOU know if you are or you’re not? (I am ashamed to admit that I am.)
No. I am not anti any religion, just anti missionary and hateful people who would make laws to spread hate… such as the anti gay marrage act.
Does it matter to our efforts (for those of you who count yourself Lefty) that we do something about this?
We must make sure we are NOT as hateful as the people we hate. IF we are anti Christian, than why would any christian want to look at our view point. But if we are open to all, than it is easier to communicate.
Or is this just too hippy-dippy?