Which dynamics do you most think about in the Kobe Bryant case?

Historic underprosecution of rape?
Victim demonization?
Harassment of victims?
Consensual vs. forced?
Malicious prosecution for the sake of money?

Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women?
Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence?

The vast number of cases of all of the above that no one ever hears about?

Celebrity justice?
Dollars infuencing justice?
Justice as commodity?

Celebrity arrogance?

The media’s blinding spotlight?
The media’s lemming-like gaze?

Where do you stand on this? Not because it’s important; not because it matters; but because of what it says about you. About us.

Do you know why you choose to consider some of these dynamics and not others?

Can you even tell?

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133 responses to “Which dynamics do you most think about in the Kobe Bryant case?

  • azureoceanlight

    Angles

    “I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.”

    It is amazing. There are so many layers to these things.

  • azureoceanlight

    Angles

    “I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.”

    It is amazing. There are so many layers to these things.

  • azureoceanlight

    Angles

    “I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.”

    It is amazing. There are so many layers to these things.

  • azureoceanlight

    Angles

    “I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.”

    It is amazing. There are so many layers to these things.

  • azureoceanlight

    Angles

    “I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.”

    It is amazing. There are so many layers to these things.

  • azureoceanlight

    Angles

    “I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.”

    It is amazing. There are so many layers to these things.

  • azureoceanlight

    Angles

    “I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.”

    It is amazing. There are so many layers to these things.

  • azureoceanlight

    see…

    …now this is sort of what I was driving at earlier. That I know who you mean when you say Britney, I mean. And I *should* know more about the situation in Russia than I do. I only *barely* have an idea who or what the Chechneyans are – eff celebrity, let me say that.

  • azureoceanlight

    see…

    …now this is sort of what I was driving at earlier. That I know who you mean when you say Britney, I mean. And I *should* know more about the situation in Russia than I do. I only *barely* have an idea who or what the Chechneyans are – eff celebrity, let me say that.

  • azureoceanlight

    see…

    …now this is sort of what I was driving at earlier. That I know who you mean when you say Britney, I mean. And I *should* know more about the situation in Russia than I do. I only *barely* have an idea who or what the Chechneyans are – eff celebrity, let me say that.

  • azureoceanlight

    see…

    …now this is sort of what I was driving at earlier. That I know who you mean when you say Britney, I mean. And I *should* know more about the situation in Russia than I do. I only *barely* have an idea who or what the Chechneyans are – eff celebrity, let me say that.

  • azureoceanlight

    see…

    …now this is sort of what I was driving at earlier. That I know who you mean when you say Britney, I mean. And I *should* know more about the situation in Russia than I do. I only *barely* have an idea who or what the Chechneyans are – eff celebrity, let me say that.

  • azureoceanlight

    see…

    …now this is sort of what I was driving at earlier. That I know who you mean when you say Britney, I mean. And I *should* know more about the situation in Russia than I do. I only *barely* have an idea who or what the Chechneyans are – eff celebrity, let me say that.

  • azureoceanlight

    see…

    …now this is sort of what I was driving at earlier. That I know who you mean when you say Britney, I mean. And I *should* know more about the situation in Russia than I do. I only *barely* have an idea who or what the Chechneyans are – eff celebrity, let me say that.

  • azureoceanlight

    Re: some answers…

    I don’t think I knew that about you. That you like hoops, I mean.

  • azureoceanlight

    Re: some answers…

    I don’t think I knew that about you. That you like hoops, I mean.

  • azureoceanlight

    Re: some answers…

    I don’t think I knew that about you. That you like hoops, I mean.

  • azureoceanlight

    Re: some answers…

    I don’t think I knew that about you. That you like hoops, I mean.

  • azureoceanlight

    Re: some answers…

    I don’t think I knew that about you. That you like hoops, I mean.

  • azureoceanlight

    Re: some answers…

    I don’t think I knew that about you. That you like hoops, I mean.

  • azureoceanlight

    Re: some answers…

    I don’t think I knew that about you. That you like hoops, I mean.

  • radioactiveart

    Understood.

    I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.

  • radioactiveart

    Understood.

    I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.

  • radioactiveart

    Understood.

    I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.

  • radioactiveart

    Understood.

    I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.

  • radioactiveart

    Understood.

    I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.

  • radioactiveart

    Understood.

    I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.

  • radioactiveart

    Understood.

    I am struck by the number of people who look at these cases from one angle only. That’s all I was trying to get at.

  • realsupergirl

    Historic underprosecution of rape? A little bit.
    Victim demonization? Hey, you know, she asked for it. She was, like a woman.
    Harassment of victims? Hey you know, she asked for it. She was like, sexually active.
    Consensual vs. forced? Only two people – maybe only one – can truly say if sex was consensual. That’s the whole problem.
    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money? That’s a bullshit excuse that people latch onto to try and get out of EVERY crime. And in rape cases, it tends to work. The number of women who are raped in this country (1 in 4) OUTWEIGHS by about a million the number of cases of “malicious prosecution for the money.”

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women? I wrote my thesis on this, I’m bored with this topic. No seriously, it’s real, but you know what? Kobe and OJ have taught us this: well-liked celebrity trumps race, any day, any crime.
    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence? I admit, I tend to presume guilt in rape cases. It has nothing to do with race or gender, I just know too many people who have been sexually assaulted, and fucked over by the legal system.

    I’m tired now. Not answering more questions, though they’re good ones. This whole issue makes me angry and upset.

  • realsupergirl

    Historic underprosecution of rape? A little bit.
    Victim demonization? Hey, you know, she asked for it. She was, like a woman.
    Harassment of victims? Hey you know, she asked for it. She was like, sexually active.
    Consensual vs. forced? Only two people – maybe only one – can truly say if sex was consensual. That’s the whole problem.
    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money? That’s a bullshit excuse that people latch onto to try and get out of EVERY crime. And in rape cases, it tends to work. The number of women who are raped in this country (1 in 4) OUTWEIGHS by about a million the number of cases of “malicious prosecution for the money.”

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women? I wrote my thesis on this, I’m bored with this topic. No seriously, it’s real, but you know what? Kobe and OJ have taught us this: well-liked celebrity trumps race, any day, any crime.
    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence? I admit, I tend to presume guilt in rape cases. It has nothing to do with race or gender, I just know too many people who have been sexually assaulted, and fucked over by the legal system.

    I’m tired now. Not answering more questions, though they’re good ones. This whole issue makes me angry and upset.

  • realsupergirl

    Historic underprosecution of rape? A little bit.
    Victim demonization? Hey, you know, she asked for it. She was, like a woman.
    Harassment of victims? Hey you know, she asked for it. She was like, sexually active.
    Consensual vs. forced? Only two people – maybe only one – can truly say if sex was consensual. That’s the whole problem.
    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money? That’s a bullshit excuse that people latch onto to try and get out of EVERY crime. And in rape cases, it tends to work. The number of women who are raped in this country (1 in 4) OUTWEIGHS by about a million the number of cases of “malicious prosecution for the money.”

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women? I wrote my thesis on this, I’m bored with this topic. No seriously, it’s real, but you know what? Kobe and OJ have taught us this: well-liked celebrity trumps race, any day, any crime.
    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence? I admit, I tend to presume guilt in rape cases. It has nothing to do with race or gender, I just know too many people who have been sexually assaulted, and fucked over by the legal system.

    I’m tired now. Not answering more questions, though they’re good ones. This whole issue makes me angry and upset.

  • realsupergirl

    Historic underprosecution of rape? A little bit.
    Victim demonization? Hey, you know, she asked for it. She was, like a woman.
    Harassment of victims? Hey you know, she asked for it. She was like, sexually active.
    Consensual vs. forced? Only two people – maybe only one – can truly say if sex was consensual. That’s the whole problem.
    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money? That’s a bullshit excuse that people latch onto to try and get out of EVERY crime. And in rape cases, it tends to work. The number of women who are raped in this country (1 in 4) OUTWEIGHS by about a million the number of cases of “malicious prosecution for the money.”

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women? I wrote my thesis on this, I’m bored with this topic. No seriously, it’s real, but you know what? Kobe and OJ have taught us this: well-liked celebrity trumps race, any day, any crime.
    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence? I admit, I tend to presume guilt in rape cases. It has nothing to do with race or gender, I just know too many people who have been sexually assaulted, and fucked over by the legal system.

    I’m tired now. Not answering more questions, though they’re good ones. This whole issue makes me angry and upset.

  • realsupergirl

    Historic underprosecution of rape? A little bit.
    Victim demonization? Hey, you know, she asked for it. She was, like a woman.
    Harassment of victims? Hey you know, she asked for it. She was like, sexually active.
    Consensual vs. forced? Only two people – maybe only one – can truly say if sex was consensual. That’s the whole problem.
    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money? That’s a bullshit excuse that people latch onto to try and get out of EVERY crime. And in rape cases, it tends to work. The number of women who are raped in this country (1 in 4) OUTWEIGHS by about a million the number of cases of “malicious prosecution for the money.”

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women? I wrote my thesis on this, I’m bored with this topic. No seriously, it’s real, but you know what? Kobe and OJ have taught us this: well-liked celebrity trumps race, any day, any crime.
    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence? I admit, I tend to presume guilt in rape cases. It has nothing to do with race or gender, I just know too many people who have been sexually assaulted, and fucked over by the legal system.

    I’m tired now. Not answering more questions, though they’re good ones. This whole issue makes me angry and upset.

  • realsupergirl

    Historic underprosecution of rape? A little bit.
    Victim demonization? Hey, you know, she asked for it. She was, like a woman.
    Harassment of victims? Hey you know, she asked for it. She was like, sexually active.
    Consensual vs. forced? Only two people – maybe only one – can truly say if sex was consensual. That’s the whole problem.
    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money? That’s a bullshit excuse that people latch onto to try and get out of EVERY crime. And in rape cases, it tends to work. The number of women who are raped in this country (1 in 4) OUTWEIGHS by about a million the number of cases of “malicious prosecution for the money.”

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women? I wrote my thesis on this, I’m bored with this topic. No seriously, it’s real, but you know what? Kobe and OJ have taught us this: well-liked celebrity trumps race, any day, any crime.
    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence? I admit, I tend to presume guilt in rape cases. It has nothing to do with race or gender, I just know too many people who have been sexually assaulted, and fucked over by the legal system.

    I’m tired now. Not answering more questions, though they’re good ones. This whole issue makes me angry and upset.

  • realsupergirl

    Historic underprosecution of rape? A little bit.
    Victim demonization? Hey, you know, she asked for it. She was, like a woman.
    Harassment of victims? Hey you know, she asked for it. She was like, sexually active.
    Consensual vs. forced? Only two people – maybe only one – can truly say if sex was consensual. That’s the whole problem.
    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money? That’s a bullshit excuse that people latch onto to try and get out of EVERY crime. And in rape cases, it tends to work. The number of women who are raped in this country (1 in 4) OUTWEIGHS by about a million the number of cases of “malicious prosecution for the money.”

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women? I wrote my thesis on this, I’m bored with this topic. No seriously, it’s real, but you know what? Kobe and OJ have taught us this: well-liked celebrity trumps race, any day, any crime.
    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence? I admit, I tend to presume guilt in rape cases. It has nothing to do with race or gender, I just know too many people who have been sexually assaulted, and fucked over by the legal system.

    I’m tired now. Not answering more questions, though they’re good ones. This whole issue makes me angry and upset.

  • johnpowers

    The media’s audacity to focus on anything in order to sell fast food and soda – coupled with the public’s bottomless appetite for it.

  • johnpowers

    The media’s audacity to focus on anything in order to sell fast food and soda – coupled with the public’s bottomless appetite for it.

  • johnpowers

    The media’s audacity to focus on anything in order to sell fast food and soda – coupled with the public’s bottomless appetite for it.

  • johnpowers

    The media’s audacity to focus on anything in order to sell fast food and soda – coupled with the public’s bottomless appetite for it.

  • johnpowers

    The media’s audacity to focus on anything in order to sell fast food and soda – coupled with the public’s bottomless appetite for it.

  • johnpowers

    The media’s audacity to focus on anything in order to sell fast food and soda – coupled with the public’s bottomless appetite for it.

  • johnpowers

    The media’s audacity to focus on anything in order to sell fast food and soda – coupled with the public’s bottomless appetite for it.

  • radioactiveart

    Gotcha. I rescind my defensiveness.

    You wanna make something of it?

  • radioactiveart

    Gotcha. I rescind my defensiveness.

    You wanna make something of it?

  • radioactiveart

    Gotcha. I rescind my defensiveness.

    You wanna make something of it?

  • radioactiveart

    Gotcha. I rescind my defensiveness.

    You wanna make something of it?

  • radioactiveart

    Gotcha. I rescind my defensiveness.

    You wanna make something of it?

  • radioactiveart

    Gotcha. I rescind my defensiveness.

    You wanna make something of it?

  • radioactiveart

    Gotcha. I rescind my defensiveness.

    You wanna make something of it?

  • mom_star

    No, I didn’t mean to call you or your post frivolous. I was just responding to your question creatively.

    That, and I was completely outraged that we have a CNN “Breaking News!” email about Kobe Bryant, and no email bulletins at all about the hostage crisis. I don’t understand *why*.

    Rape is a problem, and the case is interesting on a smaller, weekend magazine kind of scale, but it’s not *breaking news*. Not in the same way.

  • mom_star

    No, I didn’t mean to call you or your post frivolous. I was just responding to your question creatively.

    That, and I was completely outraged that we have a CNN “Breaking News!” email about Kobe Bryant, and no email bulletins at all about the hostage crisis. I don’t understand *why*.

    Rape is a problem, and the case is interesting on a smaller, weekend magazine kind of scale, but it’s not *breaking news*. Not in the same way.

  • mom_star

    No, I didn’t mean to call you or your post frivolous. I was just responding to your question creatively.

    That, and I was completely outraged that we have a CNN “Breaking News!” email about Kobe Bryant, and no email bulletins at all about the hostage crisis. I don’t understand *why*.

    Rape is a problem, and the case is interesting on a smaller, weekend magazine kind of scale, but it’s not *breaking news*. Not in the same way.

  • mom_star

    No, I didn’t mean to call you or your post frivolous. I was just responding to your question creatively.

    That, and I was completely outraged that we have a CNN “Breaking News!” email about Kobe Bryant, and no email bulletins at all about the hostage crisis. I don’t understand *why*.

    Rape is a problem, and the case is interesting on a smaller, weekend magazine kind of scale, but it’s not *breaking news*. Not in the same way.

  • mom_star

    No, I didn’t mean to call you or your post frivolous. I was just responding to your question creatively.

    That, and I was completely outraged that we have a CNN “Breaking News!” email about Kobe Bryant, and no email bulletins at all about the hostage crisis. I don’t understand *why*.

    Rape is a problem, and the case is interesting on a smaller, weekend magazine kind of scale, but it’s not *breaking news*. Not in the same way.

  • mom_star

    No, I didn’t mean to call you or your post frivolous. I was just responding to your question creatively.

    That, and I was completely outraged that we have a CNN “Breaking News!” email about Kobe Bryant, and no email bulletins at all about the hostage crisis. I don’t understand *why*.

    Rape is a problem, and the case is interesting on a smaller, weekend magazine kind of scale, but it’s not *breaking news*. Not in the same way.

  • mom_star

    No, I didn’t mean to call you or your post frivolous. I was just responding to your question creatively.

    That, and I was completely outraged that we have a CNN “Breaking News!” email about Kobe Bryant, and no email bulletins at all about the hostage crisis. I don’t understand *why*.

    Rape is a problem, and the case is interesting on a smaller, weekend magazine kind of scale, but it’s not *breaking news*. Not in the same way.

  • radioactiveart

    That’s part of the point of my post, of course, Dawn.

    But I don’t think it’s frivolous to think about the issues involved in the case.

    Britney’s wedding — now, that’s frivolous.

  • radioactiveart

    That’s part of the point of my post, of course, Dawn.

    But I don’t think it’s frivolous to think about the issues involved in the case.

    Britney’s wedding — now, that’s frivolous.

  • radioactiveart

    That’s part of the point of my post, of course, Dawn.

    But I don’t think it’s frivolous to think about the issues involved in the case.

    Britney’s wedding — now, that’s frivolous.

  • radioactiveart

    That’s part of the point of my post, of course, Dawn.

    But I don’t think it’s frivolous to think about the issues involved in the case.

    Britney’s wedding — now, that’s frivolous.

  • radioactiveart

    That’s part of the point of my post, of course, Dawn.

    But I don’t think it’s frivolous to think about the issues involved in the case.

    Britney’s wedding — now, that’s frivolous.

  • radioactiveart

    That’s part of the point of my post, of course, Dawn.

    But I don’t think it’s frivolous to think about the issues involved in the case.

    Britney’s wedding — now, that’s frivolous.

  • radioactiveart

    That’s part of the point of my post, of course, Dawn.

    But I don’t think it’s frivolous to think about the issues involved in the case.

    Britney’s wedding — now, that’s frivolous.

  • mom_star

    more

    Some counts put the number of hostages at closer to 700 than 300.

    see: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/02/russia.school/index.html

  • mom_star

    more

    Some counts put the number of hostages at closer to 700 than 300.

    see: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/02/russia.school/index.html

  • mom_star

    more

    Some counts put the number of hostages at closer to 700 than 300.

    see: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/02/russia.school/index.html

  • mom_star

    more

    Some counts put the number of hostages at closer to 700 than 300.

    see: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/02/russia.school/index.html

  • mom_star

    more

    Some counts put the number of hostages at closer to 700 than 300.

    see: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/02/russia.school/index.html

  • mom_star

    more

    Some counts put the number of hostages at closer to 700 than 300.

    see: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/02/russia.school/index.html

  • mom_star

    more

    Some counts put the number of hostages at closer to 700 than 300.

    see: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/02/russia.school/index.html

  • mom_star

    There are still nearly 300 children and their parents being held hostage by Chechneyan terrorists in Russia. The school is rigged with trip wires and explosives. Children are being used as human shields.

    The terrorists announced they will murder 20 children for every one of the number who is wounded by Russian special forces, they will murder 50 children for every one of their number killed by Russian special forces.

    They released 26 hostages this morning. But that means there are still hundreds of children held captive by terrorists.

    Kobe who?

  • mom_star

    There are still nearly 300 children and their parents being held hostage by Chechneyan terrorists in Russia. The school is rigged with trip wires and explosives. Children are being used as human shields.

    The terrorists announced they will murder 20 children for every one of the number who is wounded by Russian special forces, they will murder 50 children for every one of their number killed by Russian special forces.

    They released 26 hostages this morning. But that means there are still hundreds of children held captive by terrorists.

    Kobe who?

  • mom_star

    There are still nearly 300 children and their parents being held hostage by Chechneyan terrorists in Russia. The school is rigged with trip wires and explosives. Children are being used as human shields.

    The terrorists announced they will murder 20 children for every one of the number who is wounded by Russian special forces, they will murder 50 children for every one of their number killed by Russian special forces.

    They released 26 hostages this morning. But that means there are still hundreds of children held captive by terrorists.

    Kobe who?

  • mom_star

    There are still nearly 300 children and their parents being held hostage by Chechneyan terrorists in Russia. The school is rigged with trip wires and explosives. Children are being used as human shields.

    The terrorists announced they will murder 20 children for every one of the number who is wounded by Russian special forces, they will murder 50 children for every one of their number killed by Russian special forces.

    They released 26 hostages this morning. But that means there are still hundreds of children held captive by terrorists.

    Kobe who?

  • mom_star

    There are still nearly 300 children and their parents being held hostage by Chechneyan terrorists in Russia. The school is rigged with trip wires and explosives. Children are being used as human shields.

    The terrorists announced they will murder 20 children for every one of the number who is wounded by Russian special forces, they will murder 50 children for every one of their number killed by Russian special forces.

    They released 26 hostages this morning. But that means there are still hundreds of children held captive by terrorists.

    Kobe who?

  • mom_star

    There are still nearly 300 children and their parents being held hostage by Chechneyan terrorists in Russia. The school is rigged with trip wires and explosives. Children are being used as human shields.

    The terrorists announced they will murder 20 children for every one of the number who is wounded by Russian special forces, they will murder 50 children for every one of their number killed by Russian special forces.

    They released 26 hostages this morning. But that means there are still hundreds of children held captive by terrorists.

    Kobe who?

  • mom_star

    There are still nearly 300 children and their parents being held hostage by Chechneyan terrorists in Russia. The school is rigged with trip wires and explosives. Children are being used as human shields.

    The terrorists announced they will murder 20 children for every one of the number who is wounded by Russian special forces, they will murder 50 children for every one of their number killed by Russian special forces.

    They released 26 hostages this morning. But that means there are still hundreds of children held captive by terrorists.

    Kobe who?

  • sapience

    my response is basically that in high profile cases, i don’t believe that the truth will ever be known. i don’t even bother thinking about the rest of it, because there isn’t any incontrovertible evidence. i may be the only person on earth who has no opinion about OJ’s guilt or innocence.

  • sapience

    my response is basically that in high profile cases, i don’t believe that the truth will ever be known. i don’t even bother thinking about the rest of it, because there isn’t any incontrovertible evidence. i may be the only person on earth who has no opinion about OJ’s guilt or innocence.

  • sapience

    my response is basically that in high profile cases, i don’t believe that the truth will ever be known. i don’t even bother thinking about the rest of it, because there isn’t any incontrovertible evidence. i may be the only person on earth who has no opinion about OJ’s guilt or innocence.

  • sapience

    my response is basically that in high profile cases, i don’t believe that the truth will ever be known. i don’t even bother thinking about the rest of it, because there isn’t any incontrovertible evidence. i may be the only person on earth who has no opinion about OJ’s guilt or innocence.

  • sapience

    my response is basically that in high profile cases, i don’t believe that the truth will ever be known. i don’t even bother thinking about the rest of it, because there isn’t any incontrovertible evidence. i may be the only person on earth who has no opinion about OJ’s guilt or innocence.

  • sapience

    my response is basically that in high profile cases, i don’t believe that the truth will ever be known. i don’t even bother thinking about the rest of it, because there isn’t any incontrovertible evidence. i may be the only person on earth who has no opinion about OJ’s guilt or innocence.

  • sapience

    my response is basically that in high profile cases, i don’t believe that the truth will ever be known. i don’t even bother thinking about the rest of it, because there isn’t any incontrovertible evidence. i may be the only person on earth who has no opinion about OJ’s guilt or innocence.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: some answers…

    I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people.

    I’m a college hoops fan. Just for the record.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: some answers…

    I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people.

    I’m a college hoops fan. Just for the record.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: some answers…

    I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people.

    I’m a college hoops fan. Just for the record.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: some answers…

    I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people.

    I’m a college hoops fan. Just for the record.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: some answers…

    I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people.

    I’m a college hoops fan. Just for the record.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: some answers…

    I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people.

    I’m a college hoops fan. Just for the record.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: some answers…

    I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people.

    I’m a college hoops fan. Just for the record.

  • azureoceanlight

    some answers…

    Historic underprosecution of rape?
    -this one doesn’t necessarily “leap to mind” but it occurs to me.

    Victim demonization?
    -i had to admit being sickened by the thought of defense attorneys
    bringing up someone’s “sexual past” as though it were material in a rape case.

    Harassment of victims?
    -I sometimes think the media coverage ITSELF constitutes harassment of the victims.

    Consensual vs. forced?
    -I think this one might be made more complex than it needs to be, more often. If she says NO, then it’s the end of story. It seems pretty black and white (unlike most things) to me.

    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money?
    -I have to wonder how often this one actually does happen. I actually consider this one a bit on the far-fetched side. Not because I believe people aren’t out for themselves (they are), but because it’s not a guarantee. What if you lose?

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women?
    -History, and also black men themselves, have more wisdom on this one than I do. I’ll just say that racism comes in ALL kinds of forms. And also that anyone can be a racist.

    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence?
    -I was under the impression that under American law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I, however, usually just go right ahead and presume that the celebrity in question is, in fact, full of themselves.

    The vast number of cases of all of the above that no one ever hears about?
    -this kinda goes back to the first one, doesn’t it? Listen: someone very close to me was raped once. The entire country did not learn her name, and “journalists” from CNN didn’t ceaselessly talk with “analysts” about her prospects in court, etc. This bullshit is because we pump up or inflate the importance of characters like this “Kobe” guy. Why? Because he’s good at moving the ball? Whenever I think of this case, I usually think that it’s a shame that we can’t have a dialogue about WHY RAPES HAPPEN in the first place, that it’s a shame that a celebrity needs to do something awful before we can collectively contemplate why one would do this awful thing. If he did.

    Celebrity justice?
    -Celebrity *please*. We all need to work on making these people LESS important, not more.

    Dollars infuencing justice?
    -there’s nothing i could say here that would change anything, I suppose. Other than to say: yes, agreed. Dollars DO influence justice.

    Justice as commodity?
    -not sure I get this one.

    Celebrity arrogance?
    -Yes, they are. At least it seems that most of them are.

    Where do you stand on this? Not because it’s important; not because it matters; but because of what it says about you. About us.

    Do you know why you choose to consider some of these dynamics and not others?

    I factor in what’s important to me, when I decide which of the above dynamics to consider. Can’t say that I do it in a methodological, cognitive way, but I can tell you that I don’t care about Kobe Bryant.
    And that I find him, in the abstract, to be unimportant. I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people. Kobe’s fans are a *them* to me, and I (along wiht my own diverse interests) am an *us*.

    Can you even tell?
    -Yes, I’m aware that I factor in this stuff. Yep. Sure am.

  • azureoceanlight

    some answers…

    Historic underprosecution of rape?
    -this one doesn’t necessarily “leap to mind” but it occurs to me.

    Victim demonization?
    -i had to admit being sickened by the thought of defense attorneys
    bringing up someone’s “sexual past” as though it were material in a rape case.

    Harassment of victims?
    -I sometimes think the media coverage ITSELF constitutes harassment of the victims.

    Consensual vs. forced?
    -I think this one might be made more complex than it needs to be, more often. If she says NO, then it’s the end of story. It seems pretty black and white (unlike most things) to me.

    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money?
    -I have to wonder how often this one actually does happen. I actually consider this one a bit on the far-fetched side. Not because I believe people aren’t out for themselves (they are), but because it’s not a guarantee. What if you lose?

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women?
    -History, and also black men themselves, have more wisdom on this one than I do. I’ll just say that racism comes in ALL kinds of forms. And also that anyone can be a racist.

    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence?
    -I was under the impression that under American law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I, however, usually just go right ahead and presume that the celebrity in question is, in fact, full of themselves.

    The vast number of cases of all of the above that no one ever hears about?
    -this kinda goes back to the first one, doesn’t it? Listen: someone very close to me was raped once. The entire country did not learn her name, and “journalists” from CNN didn’t ceaselessly talk with “analysts” about her prospects in court, etc. This bullshit is because we pump up or inflate the importance of characters like this “Kobe” guy. Why? Because he’s good at moving the ball? Whenever I think of this case, I usually think that it’s a shame that we can’t have a dialogue about WHY RAPES HAPPEN in the first place, that it’s a shame that a celebrity needs to do something awful before we can collectively contemplate why one would do this awful thing. If he did.

    Celebrity justice?
    -Celebrity *please*. We all need to work on making these people LESS important, not more.

    Dollars infuencing justice?
    -there’s nothing i could say here that would change anything, I suppose. Other than to say: yes, agreed. Dollars DO influence justice.

    Justice as commodity?
    -not sure I get this one.

    Celebrity arrogance?
    -Yes, they are. At least it seems that most of them are.

    Where do you stand on this? Not because it’s important; not because it matters; but because of what it says about you. About us.

    Do you know why you choose to consider some of these dynamics and not others?

    I factor in what’s important to me, when I decide which of the above dynamics to consider. Can’t say that I do it in a methodological, cognitive way, but I can tell you that I don’t care about Kobe Bryant.
    And that I find him, in the abstract, to be unimportant. I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people. Kobe’s fans are a *them* to me, and I (along wiht my own diverse interests) am an *us*.

    Can you even tell?
    -Yes, I’m aware that I factor in this stuff. Yep. Sure am.

  • azureoceanlight

    some answers…

    Historic underprosecution of rape?
    -this one doesn’t necessarily “leap to mind” but it occurs to me.

    Victim demonization?
    -i had to admit being sickened by the thought of defense attorneys
    bringing up someone’s “sexual past” as though it were material in a rape case.

    Harassment of victims?
    -I sometimes think the media coverage ITSELF constitutes harassment of the victims.

    Consensual vs. forced?
    -I think this one might be made more complex than it needs to be, more often. If she says NO, then it’s the end of story. It seems pretty black and white (unlike most things) to me.

    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money?
    -I have to wonder how often this one actually does happen. I actually consider this one a bit on the far-fetched side. Not because I believe people aren’t out for themselves (they are), but because it’s not a guarantee. What if you lose?

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women?
    -History, and also black men themselves, have more wisdom on this one than I do. I’ll just say that racism comes in ALL kinds of forms. And also that anyone can be a racist.

    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence?
    -I was under the impression that under American law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I, however, usually just go right ahead and presume that the celebrity in question is, in fact, full of themselves.

    The vast number of cases of all of the above that no one ever hears about?
    -this kinda goes back to the first one, doesn’t it? Listen: someone very close to me was raped once. The entire country did not learn her name, and “journalists” from CNN didn’t ceaselessly talk with “analysts” about her prospects in court, etc. This bullshit is because we pump up or inflate the importance of characters like this “Kobe” guy. Why? Because he’s good at moving the ball? Whenever I think of this case, I usually think that it’s a shame that we can’t have a dialogue about WHY RAPES HAPPEN in the first place, that it’s a shame that a celebrity needs to do something awful before we can collectively contemplate why one would do this awful thing. If he did.

    Celebrity justice?
    -Celebrity *please*. We all need to work on making these people LESS important, not more.

    Dollars infuencing justice?
    -there’s nothing i could say here that would change anything, I suppose. Other than to say: yes, agreed. Dollars DO influence justice.

    Justice as commodity?
    -not sure I get this one.

    Celebrity arrogance?
    -Yes, they are. At least it seems that most of them are.

    Where do you stand on this? Not because it’s important; not because it matters; but because of what it says about you. About us.

    Do you know why you choose to consider some of these dynamics and not others?

    I factor in what’s important to me, when I decide which of the above dynamics to consider. Can’t say that I do it in a methodological, cognitive way, but I can tell you that I don’t care about Kobe Bryant.
    And that I find him, in the abstract, to be unimportant. I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people. Kobe’s fans are a *them* to me, and I (along wiht my own diverse interests) am an *us*.

    Can you even tell?
    -Yes, I’m aware that I factor in this stuff. Yep. Sure am.

  • azureoceanlight

    some answers…

    Historic underprosecution of rape?
    -this one doesn’t necessarily “leap to mind” but it occurs to me.

    Victim demonization?
    -i had to admit being sickened by the thought of defense attorneys
    bringing up someone’s “sexual past” as though it were material in a rape case.

    Harassment of victims?
    -I sometimes think the media coverage ITSELF constitutes harassment of the victims.

    Consensual vs. forced?
    -I think this one might be made more complex than it needs to be, more often. If she says NO, then it’s the end of story. It seems pretty black and white (unlike most things) to me.

    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money?
    -I have to wonder how often this one actually does happen. I actually consider this one a bit on the far-fetched side. Not because I believe people aren’t out for themselves (they are), but because it’s not a guarantee. What if you lose?

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women?
    -History, and also black men themselves, have more wisdom on this one than I do. I’ll just say that racism comes in ALL kinds of forms. And also that anyone can be a racist.

    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence?
    -I was under the impression that under American law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I, however, usually just go right ahead and presume that the celebrity in question is, in fact, full of themselves.

    The vast number of cases of all of the above that no one ever hears about?
    -this kinda goes back to the first one, doesn’t it? Listen: someone very close to me was raped once. The entire country did not learn her name, and “journalists” from CNN didn’t ceaselessly talk with “analysts” about her prospects in court, etc. This bullshit is because we pump up or inflate the importance of characters like this “Kobe” guy. Why? Because he’s good at moving the ball? Whenever I think of this case, I usually think that it’s a shame that we can’t have a dialogue about WHY RAPES HAPPEN in the first place, that it’s a shame that a celebrity needs to do something awful before we can collectively contemplate why one would do this awful thing. If he did.

    Celebrity justice?
    -Celebrity *please*. We all need to work on making these people LESS important, not more.

    Dollars infuencing justice?
    -there’s nothing i could say here that would change anything, I suppose. Other than to say: yes, agreed. Dollars DO influence justice.

    Justice as commodity?
    -not sure I get this one.

    Celebrity arrogance?
    -Yes, they are. At least it seems that most of them are.

    Where do you stand on this? Not because it’s important; not because it matters; but because of what it says about you. About us.

    Do you know why you choose to consider some of these dynamics and not others?

    I factor in what’s important to me, when I decide which of the above dynamics to consider. Can’t say that I do it in a methodological, cognitive way, but I can tell you that I don’t care about Kobe Bryant.
    And that I find him, in the abstract, to be unimportant. I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people. Kobe’s fans are a *them* to me, and I (along wiht my own diverse interests) am an *us*.

    Can you even tell?
    -Yes, I’m aware that I factor in this stuff. Yep. Sure am.

  • azureoceanlight

    some answers…

    Historic underprosecution of rape?
    -this one doesn’t necessarily “leap to mind” but it occurs to me.

    Victim demonization?
    -i had to admit being sickened by the thought of defense attorneys
    bringing up someone’s “sexual past” as though it were material in a rape case.

    Harassment of victims?
    -I sometimes think the media coverage ITSELF constitutes harassment of the victims.

    Consensual vs. forced?
    -I think this one might be made more complex than it needs to be, more often. If she says NO, then it’s the end of story. It seems pretty black and white (unlike most things) to me.

    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money?
    -I have to wonder how often this one actually does happen. I actually consider this one a bit on the far-fetched side. Not because I believe people aren’t out for themselves (they are), but because it’s not a guarantee. What if you lose?

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women?
    -History, and also black men themselves, have more wisdom on this one than I do. I’ll just say that racism comes in ALL kinds of forms. And also that anyone can be a racist.

    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence?
    -I was under the impression that under American law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I, however, usually just go right ahead and presume that the celebrity in question is, in fact, full of themselves.

    The vast number of cases of all of the above that no one ever hears about?
    -this kinda goes back to the first one, doesn’t it? Listen: someone very close to me was raped once. The entire country did not learn her name, and “journalists” from CNN didn’t ceaselessly talk with “analysts” about her prospects in court, etc. This bullshit is because we pump up or inflate the importance of characters like this “Kobe” guy. Why? Because he’s good at moving the ball? Whenever I think of this case, I usually think that it’s a shame that we can’t have a dialogue about WHY RAPES HAPPEN in the first place, that it’s a shame that a celebrity needs to do something awful before we can collectively contemplate why one would do this awful thing. If he did.

    Celebrity justice?
    -Celebrity *please*. We all need to work on making these people LESS important, not more.

    Dollars infuencing justice?
    -there’s nothing i could say here that would change anything, I suppose. Other than to say: yes, agreed. Dollars DO influence justice.

    Justice as commodity?
    -not sure I get this one.

    Celebrity arrogance?
    -Yes, they are. At least it seems that most of them are.

    Where do you stand on this? Not because it’s important; not because it matters; but because of what it says about you. About us.

    Do you know why you choose to consider some of these dynamics and not others?

    I factor in what’s important to me, when I decide which of the above dynamics to consider. Can’t say that I do it in a methodological, cognitive way, but I can tell you that I don’t care about Kobe Bryant.
    And that I find him, in the abstract, to be unimportant. I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people. Kobe’s fans are a *them* to me, and I (along wiht my own diverse interests) am an *us*.

    Can you even tell?
    -Yes, I’m aware that I factor in this stuff. Yep. Sure am.

  • azureoceanlight

    some answers…

    Historic underprosecution of rape?
    -this one doesn’t necessarily “leap to mind” but it occurs to me.

    Victim demonization?
    -i had to admit being sickened by the thought of defense attorneys
    bringing up someone’s “sexual past” as though it were material in a rape case.

    Harassment of victims?
    -I sometimes think the media coverage ITSELF constitutes harassment of the victims.

    Consensual vs. forced?
    -I think this one might be made more complex than it needs to be, more often. If she says NO, then it’s the end of story. It seems pretty black and white (unlike most things) to me.

    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money?
    -I have to wonder how often this one actually does happen. I actually consider this one a bit on the far-fetched side. Not because I believe people aren’t out for themselves (they are), but because it’s not a guarantee. What if you lose?

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women?
    -History, and also black men themselves, have more wisdom on this one than I do. I’ll just say that racism comes in ALL kinds of forms. And also that anyone can be a racist.

    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence?
    -I was under the impression that under American law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I, however, usually just go right ahead and presume that the celebrity in question is, in fact, full of themselves.

    The vast number of cases of all of the above that no one ever hears about?
    -this kinda goes back to the first one, doesn’t it? Listen: someone very close to me was raped once. The entire country did not learn her name, and “journalists” from CNN didn’t ceaselessly talk with “analysts” about her prospects in court, etc. This bullshit is because we pump up or inflate the importance of characters like this “Kobe” guy. Why? Because he’s good at moving the ball? Whenever I think of this case, I usually think that it’s a shame that we can’t have a dialogue about WHY RAPES HAPPEN in the first place, that it’s a shame that a celebrity needs to do something awful before we can collectively contemplate why one would do this awful thing. If he did.

    Celebrity justice?
    -Celebrity *please*. We all need to work on making these people LESS important, not more.

    Dollars infuencing justice?
    -there’s nothing i could say here that would change anything, I suppose. Other than to say: yes, agreed. Dollars DO influence justice.

    Justice as commodity?
    -not sure I get this one.

    Celebrity arrogance?
    -Yes, they are. At least it seems that most of them are.

    Where do you stand on this? Not because it’s important; not because it matters; but because of what it says about you. About us.

    Do you know why you choose to consider some of these dynamics and not others?

    I factor in what’s important to me, when I decide which of the above dynamics to consider. Can’t say that I do it in a methodological, cognitive way, but I can tell you that I don’t care about Kobe Bryant.
    And that I find him, in the abstract, to be unimportant. I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people. Kobe’s fans are a *them* to me, and I (along wiht my own diverse interests) am an *us*.

    Can you even tell?
    -Yes, I’m aware that I factor in this stuff. Yep. Sure am.

  • azureoceanlight

    some answers…

    Historic underprosecution of rape?
    -this one doesn’t necessarily “leap to mind” but it occurs to me.

    Victim demonization?
    -i had to admit being sickened by the thought of defense attorneys
    bringing up someone’s “sexual past” as though it were material in a rape case.

    Harassment of victims?
    -I sometimes think the media coverage ITSELF constitutes harassment of the victims.

    Consensual vs. forced?
    -I think this one might be made more complex than it needs to be, more often. If she says NO, then it’s the end of story. It seems pretty black and white (unlike most things) to me.

    Malicious prosecution for the sake of money?
    -I have to wonder how often this one actually does happen. I actually consider this one a bit on the far-fetched side. Not because I believe people aren’t out for themselves (they are), but because it’s not a guarantee. What if you lose?

    Historic railroading of black men who have sex with white women?
    -History, and also black men themselves, have more wisdom on this one than I do. I’ll just say that racism comes in ALL kinds of forms. And also that anyone can be a racist.

    Automatic presumption of guilt? Of innocence?
    -I was under the impression that under American law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I, however, usually just go right ahead and presume that the celebrity in question is, in fact, full of themselves.

    The vast number of cases of all of the above that no one ever hears about?
    -this kinda goes back to the first one, doesn’t it? Listen: someone very close to me was raped once. The entire country did not learn her name, and “journalists” from CNN didn’t ceaselessly talk with “analysts” about her prospects in court, etc. This bullshit is because we pump up or inflate the importance of characters like this “Kobe” guy. Why? Because he’s good at moving the ball? Whenever I think of this case, I usually think that it’s a shame that we can’t have a dialogue about WHY RAPES HAPPEN in the first place, that it’s a shame that a celebrity needs to do something awful before we can collectively contemplate why one would do this awful thing. If he did.

    Celebrity justice?
    -Celebrity *please*. We all need to work on making these people LESS important, not more.

    Dollars infuencing justice?
    -there’s nothing i could say here that would change anything, I suppose. Other than to say: yes, agreed. Dollars DO influence justice.

    Justice as commodity?
    -not sure I get this one.

    Celebrity arrogance?
    -Yes, they are. At least it seems that most of them are.

    Where do you stand on this? Not because it’s important; not because it matters; but because of what it says about you. About us.

    Do you know why you choose to consider some of these dynamics and not others?

    I factor in what’s important to me, when I decide which of the above dynamics to consider. Can’t say that I do it in a methodological, cognitive way, but I can tell you that I don’t care about Kobe Bryant.
    And that I find him, in the abstract, to be unimportant. I realize there are people out there who find value in the fact that Kobe apparently knows how to throw a basketball, but I’m not sure how ready I am to value those people. Kobe’s fans are a *them* to me, and I (along wiht my own diverse interests) am an *us*.

    Can you even tell?
    -Yes, I’m aware that I factor in this stuff. Yep. Sure am.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: how about society is just fucked up

    That (the “keeping us occupied” thing) had occurred to me, but it seemd so obvious I decided against including it. 😉

  • radioactiveart

    Re: how about society is just fucked up

    That (the “keeping us occupied” thing) had occurred to me, but it seemd so obvious I decided against including it. 😉

  • radioactiveart

    Re: how about society is just fucked up

    That (the “keeping us occupied” thing) had occurred to me, but it seemd so obvious I decided against including it. 😉

  • radioactiveart

    Re: how about society is just fucked up

    That (the “keeping us occupied” thing) had occurred to me, but it seemd so obvious I decided against including it. 😉

  • radioactiveart

    Re: how about society is just fucked up

    That (the “keeping us occupied” thing) had occurred to me, but it seemd so obvious I decided against including it. 😉

  • radioactiveart

    Re: how about society is just fucked up

    That (the “keeping us occupied” thing) had occurred to me, but it seemd so obvious I decided against including it. 😉

  • radioactiveart

    Re: how about society is just fucked up

    That (the “keeping us occupied” thing) had occurred to me, but it seemd so obvious I decided against including it. 😉

  • monkeypudding

    how about society is just fucked up

    and we’re really, truly, deeply awash in a cesspool of shit.

    i didn’t follow the trial. i don’t have cable. but i hear about it here and there.

    i automatically assumed he’s guilty. i usually do in these sorts of high profile cases. which is not fair. both sides are fucked up.

    i’ve hung around atheletes, professional and amateur, in this little broadcasting career of mine and watched how a lot of these guys treat women and how the women who hang around them behave. neither side is that honourable. doesn’t mean anyone deserves to be raped, by any measure, and at the same time everyone involved is walking along a pretty thin tight rope.

    media wise, its just another excuse to dumb down the masses (“the masses are asses”) and for keeping the spotlight off of your president.

  • monkeypudding

    how about society is just fucked up

    and we’re really, truly, deeply awash in a cesspool of shit.

    i didn’t follow the trial. i don’t have cable. but i hear about it here and there.

    i automatically assumed he’s guilty. i usually do in these sorts of high profile cases. which is not fair. both sides are fucked up.

    i’ve hung around atheletes, professional and amateur, in this little broadcasting career of mine and watched how a lot of these guys treat women and how the women who hang around them behave. neither side is that honourable. doesn’t mean anyone deserves to be raped, by any measure, and at the same time everyone involved is walking along a pretty thin tight rope.

    media wise, its just another excuse to dumb down the masses (“the masses are asses”) and for keeping the spotlight off of your president.

  • monkeypudding

    how about society is just fucked up

    and we’re really, truly, deeply awash in a cesspool of shit.

    i didn’t follow the trial. i don’t have cable. but i hear about it here and there.

    i automatically assumed he’s guilty. i usually do in these sorts of high profile cases. which is not fair. both sides are fucked up.

    i’ve hung around atheletes, professional and amateur, in this little broadcasting career of mine and watched how a lot of these guys treat women and how the women who hang around them behave. neither side is that honourable. doesn’t mean anyone deserves to be raped, by any measure, and at the same time everyone involved is walking along a pretty thin tight rope.

    media wise, its just another excuse to dumb down the masses (“the masses are asses”) and for keeping the spotlight off of your president.

  • monkeypudding

    how about society is just fucked up

    and we’re really, truly, deeply awash in a cesspool of shit.

    i didn’t follow the trial. i don’t have cable. but i hear about it here and there.

    i automatically assumed he’s guilty. i usually do in these sorts of high profile cases. which is not fair. both sides are fucked up.

    i’ve hung around atheletes, professional and amateur, in this little broadcasting career of mine and watched how a lot of these guys treat women and how the women who hang around them behave. neither side is that honourable. doesn’t mean anyone deserves to be raped, by any measure, and at the same time everyone involved is walking along a pretty thin tight rope.

    media wise, its just another excuse to dumb down the masses (“the masses are asses”) and for keeping the spotlight off of your president.

  • monkeypudding

    how about society is just fucked up

    and we’re really, truly, deeply awash in a cesspool of shit.

    i didn’t follow the trial. i don’t have cable. but i hear about it here and there.

    i automatically assumed he’s guilty. i usually do in these sorts of high profile cases. which is not fair. both sides are fucked up.

    i’ve hung around atheletes, professional and amateur, in this little broadcasting career of mine and watched how a lot of these guys treat women and how the women who hang around them behave. neither side is that honourable. doesn’t mean anyone deserves to be raped, by any measure, and at the same time everyone involved is walking along a pretty thin tight rope.

    media wise, its just another excuse to dumb down the masses (“the masses are asses”) and for keeping the spotlight off of your president.

  • monkeypudding

    how about society is just fucked up

    and we’re really, truly, deeply awash in a cesspool of shit.

    i didn’t follow the trial. i don’t have cable. but i hear about it here and there.

    i automatically assumed he’s guilty. i usually do in these sorts of high profile cases. which is not fair. both sides are fucked up.

    i’ve hung around atheletes, professional and amateur, in this little broadcasting career of mine and watched how a lot of these guys treat women and how the women who hang around them behave. neither side is that honourable. doesn’t mean anyone deserves to be raped, by any measure, and at the same time everyone involved is walking along a pretty thin tight rope.

    media wise, its just another excuse to dumb down the masses (“the masses are asses”) and for keeping the spotlight off of your president.

  • monkeypudding

    how about society is just fucked up

    and we’re really, truly, deeply awash in a cesspool of shit.

    i didn’t follow the trial. i don’t have cable. but i hear about it here and there.

    i automatically assumed he’s guilty. i usually do in these sorts of high profile cases. which is not fair. both sides are fucked up.

    i’ve hung around atheletes, professional and amateur, in this little broadcasting career of mine and watched how a lot of these guys treat women and how the women who hang around them behave. neither side is that honourable. doesn’t mean anyone deserves to be raped, by any measure, and at the same time everyone involved is walking along a pretty thin tight rope.

    media wise, its just another excuse to dumb down the masses (“the masses are asses”) and for keeping the spotlight off of your president.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: you know…

    Well, my own feeling is that sometimes, not often, a case with high profile helps to highlight some of this stuff.

    It’s not going to happen this time, of course.

    I freely admit that I really don’t care (except in the broadest sense of caring about my fellow human beings)about these folks except as their situation engages my interest for precisely the reasons you’ve mentioned.

    But by thinking about it, I get myself ready to do something with my thoughts and opinions when I am faced with it more personally.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: you know…

    Well, my own feeling is that sometimes, not often, a case with high profile helps to highlight some of this stuff.

    It’s not going to happen this time, of course.

    I freely admit that I really don’t care (except in the broadest sense of caring about my fellow human beings)about these folks except as their situation engages my interest for precisely the reasons you’ve mentioned.

    But by thinking about it, I get myself ready to do something with my thoughts and opinions when I am faced with it more personally.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: you know…

    Well, my own feeling is that sometimes, not often, a case with high profile helps to highlight some of this stuff.

    It’s not going to happen this time, of course.

    I freely admit that I really don’t care (except in the broadest sense of caring about my fellow human beings)about these folks except as their situation engages my interest for precisely the reasons you’ve mentioned.

    But by thinking about it, I get myself ready to do something with my thoughts and opinions when I am faced with it more personally.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: you know…

    Well, my own feeling is that sometimes, not often, a case with high profile helps to highlight some of this stuff.

    It’s not going to happen this time, of course.

    I freely admit that I really don’t care (except in the broadest sense of caring about my fellow human beings)about these folks except as their situation engages my interest for precisely the reasons you’ve mentioned.

    But by thinking about it, I get myself ready to do something with my thoughts and opinions when I am faced with it more personally.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: you know…

    Well, my own feeling is that sometimes, not often, a case with high profile helps to highlight some of this stuff.

    It’s not going to happen this time, of course.

    I freely admit that I really don’t care (except in the broadest sense of caring about my fellow human beings)about these folks except as their situation engages my interest for precisely the reasons you’ve mentioned.

    But by thinking about it, I get myself ready to do something with my thoughts and opinions when I am faced with it more personally.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: you know…

    Well, my own feeling is that sometimes, not often, a case with high profile helps to highlight some of this stuff.

    It’s not going to happen this time, of course.

    I freely admit that I really don’t care (except in the broadest sense of caring about my fellow human beings)about these folks except as their situation engages my interest for precisely the reasons you’ve mentioned.

    But by thinking about it, I get myself ready to do something with my thoughts and opinions when I am faced with it more personally.

  • radioactiveart

    Re: you know…

    Well, my own feeling is that sometimes, not often, a case with high profile helps to highlight some of this stuff.

    It’s not going to happen this time, of course.

    I freely admit that I really don’t care (except in the broadest sense of caring about my fellow human beings)about these folks except as their situation engages my interest for precisely the reasons you’ve mentioned.

    But by thinking about it, I get myself ready to do something with my thoughts and opinions when I am faced with it more personally.

  • ablueeyedboy

    you know…

    As far as kobe et al is concerned, Dante would put me in the lowest level of hell.

    There is too much stupidity here entwined in the our associations of all of the above for the _truth_ whatever it is to ever be known.

    And in most peoples minds, it’s the issues that are important anyway, not the truth, which leaves me rather apathetic.

    People don’t care abot Kobe. They care about “The historic rail roading of black men, especially those who sleep with white women”. They care about “Victim Demonization”, about “Dollars influencing justice”, or “Special Intrest Group Agenda of the Moment”.

    Free Mumia.

    Whatever.

  • ablueeyedboy

    you know…

    As far as kobe et al is concerned, Dante would put me in the lowest level of hell.

    There is too much stupidity here entwined in the our associations of all of the above for the _truth_ whatever it is to ever be known.

    And in most peoples minds, it’s the issues that are important anyway, not the truth, which leaves me rather apathetic.

    People don’t care abot Kobe. They care about “The historic rail roading of black men, especially those who sleep with white women”. They care about “Victim Demonization”, about “Dollars influencing justice”, or “Special Intrest Group Agenda of the Moment”.

    Free Mumia.

    Whatever.

  • ablueeyedboy

    you know…

    As far as kobe et al is concerned, Dante would put me in the lowest level of hell.

    There is too much stupidity here entwined in the our associations of all of the above for the _truth_ whatever it is to ever be known.

    And in most peoples minds, it’s the issues that are important anyway, not the truth, which leaves me rather apathetic.

    People don’t care abot Kobe. They care about “The historic rail roading of black men, especially those who sleep with white women”. They care about “Victim Demonization”, about “Dollars influencing justice”, or “Special Intrest Group Agenda of the Moment”.

    Free Mumia.

    Whatever.

  • ablueeyedboy

    you know…

    As far as kobe et al is concerned, Dante would put me in the lowest level of hell.

    There is too much stupidity here entwined in the our associations of all of the above for the _truth_ whatever it is to ever be known.

    And in most peoples minds, it’s the issues that are important anyway, not the truth, which leaves me rather apathetic.

    People don’t care abot Kobe. They care about “The historic rail roading of black men, especially those who sleep with white women”. They care about “Victim Demonization”, about “Dollars influencing justice”, or “Special Intrest Group Agenda of the Moment”.

    Free Mumia.

    Whatever.

  • ablueeyedboy

    you know…

    As far as kobe et al is concerned, Dante would put me in the lowest level of hell.

    There is too much stupidity here entwined in the our associations of all of the above for the _truth_ whatever it is to ever be known.

    And in most peoples minds, it’s the issues that are important anyway, not the truth, which leaves me rather apathetic.

    People don’t care abot Kobe. They care about “The historic rail roading of black men, especially those who sleep with white women”. They care about “Victim Demonization”, about “Dollars influencing justice”, or “Special Intrest Group Agenda of the Moment”.

    Free Mumia.

    Whatever.

  • ablueeyedboy

    you know…

    As far as kobe et al is concerned, Dante would put me in the lowest level of hell.

    There is too much stupidity here entwined in the our associations of all of the above for the _truth_ whatever it is to ever be known.

    And in most peoples minds, it’s the issues that are important anyway, not the truth, which leaves me rather apathetic.

    People don’t care abot Kobe. They care about “The historic rail roading of black men, especially those who sleep with white women”. They care about “Victim Demonization”, about “Dollars influencing justice”, or “Special Intrest Group Agenda of the Moment”.

    Free Mumia.

    Whatever.

  • ablueeyedboy

    you know…

    As far as kobe et al is concerned, Dante would put me in the lowest level of hell.

    There is too much stupidity here entwined in the our associations of all of the above for the _truth_ whatever it is to ever be known.

    And in most peoples minds, it’s the issues that are important anyway, not the truth, which leaves me rather apathetic.

    People don’t care abot Kobe. They care about “The historic rail roading of black men, especially those who sleep with white women”. They care about “Victim Demonization”, about “Dollars influencing justice”, or “Special Intrest Group Agenda of the Moment”.

    Free Mumia.

    Whatever.

  • dura_luxe

    I think of automatic presumption of guilt, and how easy it would be to take down anyone I wanted to simply by saying they sexually assualted me. As a woman, I have the power to destroy, I just choose not to use it.

  • dura_luxe

    I think of automatic presumption of guilt, and how easy it would be to take down anyone I wanted to simply by saying they sexually assualted me. As a woman, I have the power to destroy, I just choose not to use it.

  • dura_luxe

    I think of automatic presumption of guilt, and how easy it would be to take down anyone I wanted to simply by saying they sexually assualted me. As a woman, I have the power to destroy, I just choose not to use it.

  • dura_luxe

    I think of automatic presumption of guilt, and how easy it would be to take down anyone I wanted to simply by saying they sexually assualted me. As a woman, I have the power to destroy, I just choose not to use it.

  • dura_luxe

    I think of automatic presumption of guilt, and how easy it would be to take down anyone I wanted to simply by saying they sexually assualted me. As a woman, I have the power to destroy, I just choose not to use it.

  • dura_luxe

    I think of automatic presumption of guilt, and how easy it would be to take down anyone I wanted to simply by saying they sexually assualted me. As a woman, I have the power to destroy, I just choose not to use it.

  • dura_luxe

    I think of automatic presumption of guilt, and how easy it would be to take down anyone I wanted to simply by saying they sexually assualted me. As a woman, I have the power to destroy, I just choose not to use it.

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